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MS9 (California)
Posts: 13
Posted:
I was wondering if HOAs usually set aside some money for emergency situations as part of budget planning.

I am thinking of "emergency" that is beyond insurance coverage.

If we don't do that, I guess we can borrow from reserves. But there are some rules for returning that money to reserves.

In some HOA seminar, I heard the term: diverting from reserves, which is different from borrowing. This means that HOA may not contribute to reserves for say a few months to cover some unforeseen event that affected your operating budget. Does anyone have any thoughts around that.

As a last resort I guess there is always an unpopular option of special assessment.
PeterB1 (Florida)
Posts: 257
Posted:
Yes!

We have part of our reserves setup to deal with the after-effects of a hurricane. (Yup Florida). Went thru it once and now we have a sizable reserve for this.

We have also allocated funds for the contingency that some owners will not pay their dues. Saw this before and so, we are somewhat protected from this loss.
AnnaD2 (Florida)
Posts: 960
Posted:
Peter I'm curious.....just what does that line item say for collecting those extra funds for non-paying owners? Does it say: Deadbeat dues? I'm not being a smart aleck....but if some people will think they're "covered" for not paying their fees, are there more people taking advantage of that and skipping payments?

Thank you.
PeterB1 (Florida)
Posts: 257
Posted:
Anna,

Per our accounting firm: "allowance for unpaid dues." We worked many extra hours to get 4 members to pay up. There doesn't seem to be any correlation between the budget item and paid dues.

The 'allowance' is (or should be)a best practice for budgeting for associations.
DavidW5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 565
Posted:
Our auditor, in a previous year's audit report recommended that the HOA develop an "operating contingency" of between 10 to 20% of the operating budget. This contingency is now a budget line item and is separate from the replacement reserves. It is intended to cover such "known unknowns" as an unexpectedly large snowfall which exceeds the budgeted snow removal amount. So far we have not had to tap this operating contingency. Once it reaches a level we feel comfortable with, we will stop funding it and just carry it forward.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Many assn's place any leftover funds in the operating account at year-end into their reserve account; however these funds can just be left in the operating account as a cushion for the next year. This could take the place of having to fund for a contingency fund especially if that funding would require an increase in assessments. During these difficult economic times, the board should be very careful about raising assessments especially to put away money that they "may" need.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Before you do this, check your documents and any state law on the matter. For instance our documents used to require that any leftover assessments be returned to the H/O in the form of lowered assessments until the leftovers were gone; a change in state law now allows the BOD to either return the funds or move them into reserves. Return or reserves nothing else; which is not to discredit Mary's advice; you just might have to move the funds before year end so there are no leftovers. Our documents also require the BOD to maintain a separate contingency account equal to two months of assessments.

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RickW (Illinois)
Posts: 169
Posted:
We have an operating contigency fund as well as a bad debt line item in our budget. The bad debt line was added just last year. But, living in Illinois, we can move our operating expense for landscape replacement to snow removal, or similar line item if necessary.

I tend to look at our association's budget as if I was preparing a budget for myself. I ask myself, if I'm to be financially responsible, what items should I include. ANy good budget should have some sor of contigency fund.
JoeyS
Posts: 2
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GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
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JC7
Posts: 31
Posted:
"Contingency"is what I use. It's a catch all for any unforeseen expense that is not accounted for in normal operating expenses and not something you reserve for. You could as you say "diverting from reserves" or abate a part of your reserves and add it as a contingency item to your Budget. People want to know upfront where their dues are going. Once you start diverting from reserves you start to lose full transparency. Just my opinion.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
What am I missing?

My understanding is rather simple. An association can and should set aside money for "FUTURE STUFF" and if something "HAPPENS" before the Future Stuff happens, they can borrow from Future Stuff to fix what Happened now, as long as they pay the Future Stuff back.

Thus the real question is there enough set aside (no matter what called) to cover everything?

What am I missing?

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Quote:
Posted By JohnC46 on 10/21/2012 5:13 PM

What am I missing?

Your missing that this thread is 3 years old and that it was only reactivated by JoeyS to SPAM the forum about payday loans.

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