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TiffanyC (Texas)
Posts: 11
Posted:
The question has been posed to be me how to disolve an HOA?

What are the legal ramafications, and what has to be done to do it in TX.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
The answer is not the same for any two HOA's so you need to read your CC&R's (Covenants, Conditions & Restrictions) somewhere in there it should be spelled out how to dissolve. You will need to get the city / county to agree to maintain any common areas such as catch ponds, streets (if HOA owned) etc. (Good luck on that) At the very least they will probably require the members to pay into a trust fund administered by a Conservator whose salary you will also have to pay. Other than that it will require the yes vote of a very high percentage of homeowners, often 100%.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
If your HOA is mandatory, then at a minimum you will need to amend the covenants. In many cases this requires 66 to 75% of the ownership to agree to the change. In this area most HOAs don't actually bother with dissolution. They simply become inactive because it is much easier. The problem is that it leaves open the door that a few people can resurrect the HOA again. I would never personally agree to that idea.

But before you venture out on this track I would suggest that you get a good read from many many neighbors. You might find yourself surprised at the number of people who don't want to do a thing but will vote to keep the HOA.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
When an HOA becomes inactive the worst that can happen is not the fact that someone can resurrect it again. The worst that could happen is that someone should be injured on common grounds, in which case every property owner could find themselves in a court of law.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Sell the common areas to the next closest land owner for $1. It will not be a common area anymore, but at least your one step closer to dissolving the HOA.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Steve,

What would anyone want with a water retention area that cannot be built on and cannot be used for anything else????
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
They wouldn't "want" the water retention area, but it would solve the issue of dissolving the HOA which is the point of this thread. Everyone wins.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Steve,

Well if they wouldn't want it and couldn't do anything with it why would they buy it? Sorry, but you aren't making much sense.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Another thing you could do...... once the common area is sold to the new owner for $1. The new owner could fail to pay taxes on the land and let the city take it.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Makes perfect sense. The major hurdle of dissolving a HOA is getting rid of the common area properties.
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
Let the city/county/state take it in a back tax sale, auction it off to someone, and that someone buy it with the city agreeing to change zoning on it...

and now, you have a brand new car lot, or quickie mart, or gang hang out, or junkyard, or halfway home for drug recoverying mental health sex offender felon parolees, right in the middle of your now non existant HOA...

not likely, but it could happen.

And remember, the person who bought it and then failed to pay taxes has to agree to the blight on their credit rating for years, and perhaps still being liable for penalties, interest and taxes, should the state wish to collect. Just because you fail to pay the taxes doesn't mean the state forgives them.

MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Not to mention the fact that many times the retention basin area and/or certain common areas cannot be sold, leased, or transferred to a new owner under any circumstances.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
BrianB
Think about it..... property taxes are not even connected to your social security number. Why would it be on a credit report? I have never seen property tax liens from any of three credit reporting agencies.
EllenS1 (Florida)
Posts: 1,148
Posted:
Tiffany,

Your docs should contain this information.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By SteveM9 on 09/21/2009 10:15 AM
Another thing you could do...... once the common area is sold to the new owner for $1. The new owner could fail to pay taxes on the land and let the city take it.

OK Steve but this altruistic homeowner willing to take one for the team better have great insurance should anyone be injured or killed on their new property.

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MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Brian,

In AZ the zoning would never be changed because a water rentention area cannot be used for anything else but the purpose of retaining runoff water. It's part of the Co's 100-yr flood plan, which I'm sure most jurisdictions all across the nation have. The city in which I live will not take back the assn's common areas, so it's no-win situation if they wish to dissolve the assn. You and Steve say, "just sell the common areas"; believe me that may be easier said than done!
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
I offer action plans, you offer excuses. Somewhere in the middle is the solution.

Gotta start somewhere.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Well, with all due respect, your so-called "action plans" are faulty.

The legitimate concerns raised about them are not "excuses," but serious issues that should not be dismissed so cavalierly.

MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Michele,

I quit replying to Steve because it's apparent he "thinks" he knows it all, but his remarks tell us otherwise. He should lean to quit while he's ahead instead of continuing to dig a deeper hole!
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Michele,
I don't know it all, that's why I said "Somewhere in the middle is the solution". As for not paying taxes and letting the city take ownership, I personally know someone who has done it with an unbuildable lot. Is it right? No. Did the city want the lot? No. Did it solve his problem? Yes.

TiffanyC,
It appears no one here can help you. I've never seen a post here from someone who has successfully dissolved an HOA. So none of us "really" know what we are talking about.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By SteveM9 on 09/22/2009 5:18 PM
Michele,
I don't know it all, that's why I said "Somewhere in the middle is the solution". As for not paying taxes and letting the city take ownership, I personally know someone who has done it with an unbuildable lot. Is it right? No. Did the city want the lot? No. Did it solve his problem? Yes.

What happens in Mass is not likely legal in other places.

It would not be remotely "legal" in Kentucky, and it would not happen the way you claim this resident "did" it.

So, I will state again, with all due respect, your so-called "action plans" are faulty.

The legitimate concerns raised about them are not "excuses," but serious issues that should not be dismissed so cavalierly.
KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
There could be the possibility of transferring deed of common property to neaby owners though it might actually cost the HOA to do so.

Also, not all HOAs have common property. My HOA does not have any common property. The only area that is thought of as common actually belongs to the City. It is part of the road right of way. But if we did own land our documents would not stop us from transferring ownership.

The thing is that you need to read your documents to find out about dissolution of the HOA. You also need to think through the results of the dissolution.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Kirk,

How do you know your docs would not stop you from transferring ownership even if your assn did own land? The CCRs of my former assn (also in Glendale, AZ) stated maint. of the common areas could not be terminated w/o the approval of the City. We checked into it and were told the City would NOT take back ownership of any common areas.

Also, I'm curious to know why there is an assn if there is no common areas or other amenities to maintain. Along with all the common areas that my assn actually owns, we are also resp. for maintaining City right-of-way areas along several major streets that traverse through our HOA. I believe this is not uncommon. We're in the process now of upgrading the landscaping along one City right-of-way that will end up costing us tens of thousands of dollars with not a penny coming from the city, but we were required to obtain approval to remove a number of dead or dying citrus trees.
BethS2 (Texas)
Posts: 19
Posted:
Tiffany,
I am in Texas too. Did your research find any way to dissolve an HOA that is feasible?
I'm interested in the same option and if you've found something, please save me some time!
thanks
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Beth since you stated in one of your other posts that you were a 10 unit condo I don't even want to think of the hoops you would have to jump through to dissolve your COA but yes it's possible the steps required should be in your CC&R's somewhere. Generally it would probably require the approval of 100% of the owners and the mortgage holders if any; you may also need the approval of the zoning commission as they often allow things to be built on smaller parcels depending on their planed use. In addition you will need to find a way to fund and maintain the common areas, hallways, parking lot/garages, landscaping and roofs; you know the things the HOA are required to maintain. What type of condos are you? Are the units all in one building, are they townhomes or are they free standing on their own plot of land that's commonly owned?

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CharlesR5 (Texas)
Posts: 28
Posted:
BethS2 and Tiffany,

I too am in Texas and am interested in any legal way of disolving our HOA. If either of you find any info keep me inform and i will do like wise. is it only texas where HOA's and communism has soooooooooo much in common.
EllenS1 (Florida)
Posts: 1,148
Posted:
Glen makes some excellent points. I too think the mortgage holders would be quick to object.
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By CharlesR5 on 11/12/2009 5:32 AM
BethS2 and Tiffany,

I too am in Texas and am interested in any legal way of disolving our HOA. If either of you find any info keep me inform and i will do like wise. is it only texas where HOA's and communism has soooooooooo much in common.

Not sure i understand how a capitalist system of land owning people with the power to vote in secret ballot elections to determine the fate of their property has anything to do with communism. Is your HOA a collective Charles? Do you not own property within it? did you not voluntarily join it, and can you not voluntarily leave it? were the board members appointed without vote of the membership?

MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Brian,

Ha! Ha! I agree it's not like communism. But, some people do refer to the HOA Board as the Gestapo which was the enforment agency for Nazi Germany, a facist govenment. Some people might even call our FBI and DEA agencys the Gestapo! LOL I think Charles is not speaking of the HOA, but rather rather the BOD (enforcement agency) of the HOA. Yeah, we do buy into the HOA with our eyes wide open but we don't know what route our leaders (the BOD) will take.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Based on Charles' other posts, he sounds more like a disgruntled homeowner because the board is not operating to his particular liking. (the "donation" to the church where the board holds all their meetings; the "lawsuit" against an apparent chronic covenant violator, etc.)

We have no idea if the rest of the community feels the same way; we have only his take on it.

I do love that his next best option is to "dissolve" the HOA.

Nice.

Instead of getting like-minded homeowners, who also voluntarily bought into the development and who also agreed to follow the covenants when they did so, and following the process in those covenants to install a board to his liking, he'd just rather dissolve the whole thing.

MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Out of respect for RobertR, I withheld my second recommendation, which would be for an unhappy resident to run for the board himself and promoted the "kick the bums out" idea first.

MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Michelle,

I think you've nailed it pretty good. I wouldn't be afraid to bet that he's referred to as the HOA's PIA! LOL Every assn has at least one!

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