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BarbaraD6 (Florida)
Posts: 347
Posted:
Except for work done by or on behalf of Declarant or any Declarant Affiliate, no structure or thing shall be placed, erected, or installed upon any Lot, and no improvements or other work(including, without limitation, staking , clearing, excavation, grading and other site work, exterior alterations or additions, or planting or removal of landscaping) shall take place within the Community, except in compliance with this Article and the Architectural Guidelines.

Any Owner may remodel,paint, or redecorate the interior of any structure on his or her Lot without approval hereunder. However, modificatons to the interior of screened porches, patios, and any other portions of a Lot or structure visible from outside a structure are subject to approval under this Article. An Owner shall not make any additions or changes to the landscaping initially installed by Developer, except for a hedge which shall be required around the exterior perimeter of any pool screening approved in accordance with this Article.

One board member thinks you can't change original plantings. The other thinks it can be changed with ARC approval.(We are townhouses all outside planting areas are common property) What are your thoughts?
thanks
Barbara
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
I would think it was self explanatory:

no improvements or other work(including, without limitation, staking , clearing, excavation, grading and other site work, exterior alterations or additions,or planting or removal of landscaping) shall take place within the Community, except in compliance with this Article and the Architectural Guidelines.

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MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
How does this portion come into play, Glen?

An Owner shall not make any additions or changes to the landscaping initially installed by Developer,
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Barbara,
What do the architectural guidelines say about landscape changes? I have seen pictures of your landscape and the common area needs redoing. Is this pertaining to the landscape around the townhouses? Is some of that not common area or is some of it owner property. Either way, living plants and trees have a lifespan and developers have a habit of planting things for instant gratification but do not consider if the site is the right place for a planting. Then they put in place some rediculous covenants about not changing from the original design. Go Figure! Time to address the mess that has grown or in some cases, has not grown well and change plantings for a better, more efficient landscape.
KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
I think you need to amend your documents. The way it looks to me, you don't have the authority to allow changes to the plantings. Of course it also seems like a really stupid idea to have that rule. But that is not so unusual.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
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Posted By MicheleD on 09/04/2009 5:08 PM
How does this portion come into play, Glen?

An Owner shall not make any additions or changes to the landscaping initially installed by Developer,

Michele I read that but it didn't register in my little pumpkin brain. Barbara as Kirk posted in order for the H/O's to change the plantings you would need to amend this section. However IMHO it would not prevent the BOD from making changes and since it is common area that really is their job not the H/O. But I wouldn't do it without input from the H/O's, why not form a committee and come up with a new landscape plan if the old one isn't working?

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GlenL (Ohio)
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Posted By DonnaS on 09/04/2009 6:29 PM

Either way, living plants and trees have a lifespan and developers have a habit of planting things for instant gratification but do not consider if the site is the right place for a planting.

Donna you are so right, the six foot Blue-Spruces looked nice planted six feet away from the buildings and intermixed between the baby Elm trees every ten feet. Fast forward ten years when the BS were taller than 2 & 1/2 story buildings and squared at the back to keep the branches off the buildings and fighting with the Elms for dominance not so much. Thank god for chain saws.

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KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
Glen,

yes, you have yet one more example where plantings should be changed up. But it would appear that at least one developer didn't have enough sense to leave the authority to approve such a change. Doesn't really surprise me anymore.

But there are just so many reasons why plantings might need to be changed. And they don't all start with wrong plant in the wrong place. For instance Red Tip Photenia was once great in this area. Now it can become infested with a noxious pest. Other times it is nice just to have a change in what one sees.
BarbaraD6 (Florida)
Posts: 347
Posted:
Hi Donna,
This issue has just been raised as h/o's have in the past been given permission to remove plants on common property. You had to step out of your car into grass(which was usually soaked) so that board decided to let h/o's remove the grass and/or plants and put down pavers.
All grass and planting areas are common area.
Architectural Guidelines
"Upon termination or delegation of Declarants's right to amend, the Board may amend the Architectural Guidelines, subject to Declarant's veto right under Section 4.2(a)(if still applicable)"
The convenant doesn't allow for any additions or changes to the initally installed landscaping.To change the convenant we need a homeowners vote.
We have some ARC applications pending wanting to remove the grass and put pavers like have been allowed in the past. I don't think we can allow it, what do you think?
Barbara
BarbaraD6 (Florida)
Posts: 347
Posted:
Glen,
You can see why it is board members have different views on this. As always thanks for your views.
Barbara
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Michelle and Barbara,

Because of this above bolded statement, it makes one realize that sometimes developers leave associations in such a horrid mess. Change this all by taking it to the members thru an amendment. If you follow these landscape statements, the landscape will get worse looking that it already is. Some of the original plants were horridly wrong for where they were planted. Water and soil conditions are sdding to the demise of the look of these plants.
BarbaraD6 (Florida)
Posts: 347
Posted:
Donna,
I just heard my a fellow board member who has pointed out that "An Owner shall not make any additions or changes ......" She says the Board can make changes. I am not asking for any legal opinion but what do you think?
Barbara
RickW (Illinois)
Posts: 169
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Posted By BarbaraD6 on 09/06/2009 4:50 PM
Donna,
I just heard my a fellow board member who has pointed out that "An Owner shall not make any additions or changes ......" She says the Board can make changes. I am not asking for any legal opinion but what do you think?
Barbara

Barbara,
I've read through your thread and a couple of things come to mind, many of which have already been stated:

1. You need to amend your documents. Most obvioulsy to everyone is that, as time goes on, landscaping does change and also needs to be changed. Our complex is 8-9 years old and we are still replacing [lantings the developer installed. We are replacing because they not lasted the test of time. This of course is a board decision, not the decision of an individual homeowner. We allow owners to change their plantings as long as it is in pots or in areas that are a;lready designated fro plantings, area we already mulch and maintain.

2. Since you have a few owners awaiting on a board decision you are somewhat pressed for time. I would have no problem suggesting to the others on our board, to approve the applications pending. This would depend on their request, however. The board would have to look at each proposal and see how it fits in with the existing and how it might affect setting guidelines for the future.

This is a perfect example of how as association's, many times we don't have the appropriate documents in place. It does provide us with an opportunity to correct the situation. It also, in my opinion, could lead to excessive rules. In the ideal world, associations could be much more fluid, IMO.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
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"An Owner shall not make any additions or changes to the landscaping initially installed by Developer,"

may also mean that what is there has to be replaced with the same planting. In other words, pine trees initially planted would require new pine trees, if they required to be "changed". The design could not be changed.

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