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RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Condo issue.
Your documents do not include a mention of an ARB. They do allow for the Board to create Committees. If the Board elects to create an ARB, does that committee have enforcement powers and fining powers? In our documents the Board is granted the authority to issue fines for covenants violations.

So if you had a ARB committee, how would it work, and would amendments have to be made in documents. Or would the ARB serve as all other committees as an advisory panel to the Board?
AnnaD2 (Florida)
Posts: 960
Posted:
Hey Robert....I guess nobody wants to play today. Sorry.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Anna,
Looks like you are right. A person could get paranoid around here.
You could have made me feel better and took a stab at it.

My last shrink said to me, "Just because you are paranoid, that doesn't mean someone is not out to get you."

As far as the answer to my question, if I were to answer it, I would say:
The Board of a Condo can appoint an ARB committee with nothing more than a statement. There should be an ARB policy and directive. Any committee in a condo that is Board appointed should not have the power to fine, they could have the authority of notification and some discretion as to what that notification states as long as it is not punitive. If the Board wants to establish a fine or punitive schedule for ARB infractions, they must first amend the documents as directed.

aye, aye, aye, aye resounds throughout this thread.
RickW (Illinois)
Posts: 169
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RobertR1 on 08/30/2009 12:12 PM
Anna,
Looks like you are right. A person could get paranoid around here.
You could have made me feel better and took a stab at it.

My last shrink said to me, "Just because you are paranoid, that doesn't mean someone is not out to get you."

As far as the answer to my question, if I were to answer it, I would say:
The Board of a Condo can appoint an ARB committee with nothing more than a statement. There should be an ARB policy and directive. Any committee in a condo that is Board appointed should not have the power to fine, they could have the authority of notification and some discretion as to what that notification states as long as it is not punitive. If the Board wants to establish a fine or punitive schedule for ARB infractions, they must first amend the documents as directed.

aye, aye, aye, aye resounds throughout this thread.

I'm feeling a bit ignorant, what does ARB stand for?
AnnaD2 (Florida)
Posts: 960
Posted:
Adults Required Behavior? Maybe not.

Architectural Review Board? Maybe....but usually THAT is an ARC (committee).

Now you've got me wondering. Hey Robert, I loved your answer to yourself. See, you knew the answer all along!
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Great Gobbledido,
I should have said A Review Board. I didn't because I didn't know how to spell Architectural.

Anne,
I have all the answers, and as some will attest, a lot of them don't happen to be good answers.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Robert,

If your docs give the BOD the authority to establish committees then they may establish an Architectural Review Board. However, depending upon what authority they want to give to this committee it may be necessary to amend the docs. The CCRs of my assn have a separate article entitled "Architectural Control" wherein it is outlined what the makeup of the Architectural Committee shall be. It's also stated that they have ". . .the responsibility and authority to control the architectural and aesthetic character of the property." They also have the authority to ". . .from time to time adopt, amend and repeal rules (the "Architectural Rules")" which "shall serve as guidelines to be used by the Architectural Committee in rendering its decisions". Appeals are handled by the BOD. The Architectural Committee reports to the Board each month but does not have to obtain approval for A/C modifications and can send violation notices and impose fines w/o board approval. IMO, if your board wants the Architectural Review Board to have the same powers as my assn's Architectural Committee, then, IMO, an amendment to the CCRs would be the best way to go. If, however, they only want the Architectural Review Board to review the requests for modification and check out possibile covenant violations that the board will take action on, then all they need do is appoint the committee and adopt a procedure for them to operate by.

I don't agree with your assertion that: "If the Board wants to establish a fine or punitive schedule for ARB infractions, they must first amend the documents as directed." If your docs give the BOD the authority to impose fines, the docs do not have to be amended to include the fine schedule. The fine schedule can fall under board-adopted rules. It may be necessary to adjust or change the fine schedule from time to time which would be rather difficult to do if is was a CCR restriction.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Mary,
In our umbrella HOA, there is an ARB that can impose fines as issue stop work orders, by virtue of the citations in the HOA documents.

In our condo we have no ARB. And there is no stipulation for anyone other than the board that allows for fines or punitive enforcement.
So, I think if we want to have an ARB they must operate under the authority of the Board and like all condo committees they serve as advisory committees, for the most part. If the Board wants them to have fine enforcement authority, I am not sure they can designate this authority without an amendment and then it seems dicey to me.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Robert,
I am just a little curious because of you being a condo, outside changes normally would not be done by an owner. Maybe a balcony railing or a patio fence but that seems to be a minimal amount of areas that could be changed. So perhaps that is why there is no ARB. Your association probably has restrictions on permanent barbeque placement, maybe awnings etc which would cover outside standards? Perhaps?
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Donna,
I can understand you interest. If you look at the amount of common property and the amount of limited common property and in our case the absence of a Board presence due to absentee homeowners you will begin to see the concern. Balcony's come to mind, limited common, suppose someone wants to install an awning, a different outside light. New doors and windows. Then we have assigned parking spaces in a garage. Suppose someone decides to store an RV or extend the assigned storage space to accommodate a Golf cart. The we have gardens, and a parking lot and a huge deck area and a Gazebo. Hard to imagine maybe but there are a ton of little things that require constant attention. Leave it up to a manager and favorites come into play at times, also a manager should be tasked with following his/her job description not to decide if an owner can put a huge urn of cactus outside their door. So maybe this Will help. It is much easier to follow the documents than it is to allow changes and have to go back and correct them, especially when few owners bother to read, let alone understand their documents. You also have the problem of the common area surrounding the physical buildings. Do you identify your property with a fence? What kind? What kind of signage do you allow. Can unit 607 put up yellow curtains in the kitchen? Our restrictions say all white linings must be visible. But this kitchen don't face common property.
And one very good reason is to get owners involved.

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