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JudyF (Florida)
Posts: 7
Posted:
Who's job is it to enforce the Rules of the HOA? The Board or the management company? We have been having issues with certain homeowners with tenants not wanting to follow the Rules & Regulations.We have some issues with the HOA atty and had a meeting with her. We expressed our concern. Our attorney has told us its not the Boards job to enforce the Rules and Regulations.
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
Your attorney is an incompetant (%#$%^^&*((^$.
The board of directors is responsible for enforcing all document restrictions. (they may 'sub' this responsibility to the mgmt co but only the board can make a fine 'stick')
While they may be reactive instead of proactive, they are still responsible (as is any HO in the association).
The renters are only responsible to their landlord.
The HO in question is responsible for the actions of his tenants.

welcome to wonderful land of the HOA .. a subdivision of OZ
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Judy,

When your attorney gave the board this gross mis-information did anyone think to ask her who's job it is? I certainly hope the board didn't pay the attorney for that meeting!!

Your board needs to do two things immediately:

1) find a new attorney, and
2) thoroughly read and understand the gov docs, especially the article entitled "duties of the BOD"

The board may "designate" the manager as being resp. for policing the neighborhood and sending violation notices thereby taking on the resp of enforcing the rules and regs. However, in any court case, the BOD would be the defendant not the manager.

If a tenant of a property is violating the covenants, the property owner should be sent the violation notice and any subsequent fines. The BOD should only be dealing with the property owner. If he cannot control his tenants he should pay the price for it.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Depends on what "enforcement" means.

After the board has done everything it can, it should turn over issues to professionals - whether that it a bill collector, leins, police dept., health department, carpenter, plumber, or hire a vendor to make repairs.

Under no circumstances should a board member attempt to collect a bill or confront residents who are breaking the law.

The board should have clear and concise policies and procedures. After it has followed those steps, it should bring in help for "enforcement.'

MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Susan, with all due respect, that answer is silly and brings in way more than what was asked.

Collect a bill or confront residents who are breaking the law? I am at a loss to understand how you could possible glean that from the post above.

The OP asked specifically about enforcement of Rules & Regulations.

The most helpful statement in your post was the first half of the very last paragraph:

"The board should have clear and concise policies and procedures."

Mary is correct, review the documents. But the attorney is dead wrong, too. I wonder if he has some connection to the management company?

The fact of the matter is, with most all associations I've seen, the buck stops with the board.

The board can either opt to send out enforcement letters themselves, which give the violator a set deadline for compliance as well as specific penalties if compliance is not received, or delegate that action to the management company.

Depending on whether the association actively walks the development looking for violations or whether it enforces on a complaint-driven basis, the management company, for the most part, often may send the letters and/or track and monitor the situation.

But that activity is at the board's direction and delegation. If the management company is not following board direction on enforcement then it may well be time to search for a new management company.

SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Sorry Michele - "enforcement" of rules and regs should be of utmost concern when passing them.

We were going to issue beach tags to all residents until we got to enforcement of the beach tag requirement. We decided that we did not have money to hire someone to monitor the beach and the board's job is not to sit at the beach and qualify swimmers. So it was dropped.

We also have hired an outside company to dig up water lines and turn off water to those who are non-paying of their water/membership dues. Why? because board members should not be digging up water lines and getting swore at and garbage thrown at them, or even collecting water dues money. poliie and procedures are followed, the company gets a call.

Sorry - the board is not an enforcement agency - it only has to see that documents ARE enforced.

I stand by my original position to bring in outside help in enforcement issues.

LilliamG (Florida)
Posts: 1
Posted:
I think the board has the right to enforce the rules, but not confronting the owners or tenants in person it can be dangerous. Unless you have a manager that lives 24/7 in the community, many of the violations can be miss the board must be the eyes for a manager. I like to walk with the manager every few weeks to make sure she is doing her job, if a board relies only in the manager to do ALL inspections' work slowly there were be a caos; homeowner in HOA have a tendency to act as they live in a community without rules and regulations negleting property maintenance and dues etc. Some of them rules are just to be ignore the directors live in the community and SEE who are the violators if a board member is too indiferent then is not doing his/her job.
JudyF (Florida)
Posts: 7
Posted:
Thak you all for your response.

I have been a Board member for over 10 years and President. I just needed to make sure I was not crazy. I wanted some feedback from someone away this situation, not my Board members. Our Board has always been very strong. We have had the same atty for the last 3 years. This situation started with the atty at the meeting due to collections issues.We changed our governing docs (Decs) 6 years ago in the event a HO did not make a tenent comply, after a hearing and if the violations continued then the Board could reqiuest the HO to evict his tenet and if he did not in 30 daYS then we as the Board could do it. We have done it many times with no propbelm.. The atty's who did the legals for us is the same law firm that this collection atty works for. When i qiustined him if we as the Board have no authority then why did your office give us legal advice, do the change if we have no authority. His answer to all this is that this HO could file suit against the HOA for harrashment.

Sometimes when you put ALL this volunteer unappreciative time,work, hrs., unrully neighbors, phone calls etc. you then start to 2nd guess yourself, on where have I gone wrong & what am I doing this all for. We have a new mgmt co as of 2/09, so after last night he is now questioning his authority after listening to this atty.
CathyA1 (Nevada)
Posts: 1
Posted:
As President of my Board let me say that 'owners' of units do not care what their tenants do, especially if their mortgage is getting paid. So FINE THE OWNERS AFTER GIVING THEM NOTICES; WARNINGS; ETC. I found that hitting their pockets with fines that go up with each infraction works.
GOOD LUCK THIS IS DEFINATELY A THANKLESS POSITION
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Judy,

Kudos to your BOD for being able to evict a tenant when the property owner would not. I'm sure you must have followed the landlord tenant act of your state since you say you haven't had any problems.

I stand on my statement that your attorney needs to go. To say the h/o could file suit against the HOA for harrashment because the BOD is taking action to correct a violation is ludricrous. Is he saying the board should just sit back and let the violations occur and do nothing about them?

If you take a look at your docs I'm sure you'll find a provision that states the board has the duty to enforce the covenants (or some wording to that effect). Even if this "duty" is assigned to the property manager, the onus still falls on the BOD. The property manager is only "enforcing" because the BOD has instructed him/her to.

You're right, Judy, it IS a thankless job. When you start questioning yourself about your commitment, it may be time to step aside and let someone else do it. Ten years is a very long time and no one could fault you if you decided it's been long enough. Good luck!

Mary

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