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GordonD1 (California)
Posts: 131
Posted:
I am a board member and I would like to have your feedback regarding the formation of a Social Committee. Two board members want to have a social
committee and have social get togethers in our recreation and pool/spa facilities. Two of the board members oppose this idea because of noise,
liability, (our rules and regulations prohibit the drinking of alcohol in the recreation areas). I am in the middle as I support both groups for different reasons.

The two board members that oppose feel that using the recreation facilities would be going against the rules and regulations because every homeowner
can only have 6 guests. Our property manager is suggesting that we should not have the recreation areas used for community social events. He feels
this is a gray area. He does not oppose the idea of a social committee.

Kindly give me your feedback.

Regards,

Gordon
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Gordon, I think an HOA social committee is a great idea. And I think the Board should advise the committee that:
1) no alcohol is allow in the recreation and pool/spa facilities;
2) no noise which disturbs other is allowed; and
3) if they can not (or fail to comply) with the rules they may not meet in the recreation area.
GordonD1 (California)
Posts: 131
Posted:
Thank you Roger.

Do we need to have an insurance coverage for any social event?
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Gordon,

I don't believe you would need special ins coverage; all the members would be covered under the assn's general liability policy.

IMO, I see nothing wrong with using the recreation facility for a social function. If yours is a very large assn you may consider limiting the function to HOA members only. I think it's great when the assn members want to get together socially. Why would anyone object to using the rec facility; where else could you have a social function???
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Is sponsoring social events listed in the mission of your HOA? (Articles or CCRs?)

This is something that a women's club or volunteer group should be putting on, IMHO.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Gordon,
Why not appoint the Social Committee, then have them make sugestions an ideas and make recommendations to the Board.

What are you planning to do, decide what you want done as a Board, then tell the committee this is what you all do?
GordonD1 (California)
Posts: 131
Posted:
Robert,

I don't think you read my question correctly. My great concern is the use of alcohol. It is against our Rules and Regulations. The homeowners interested in
forming the committee and two of the board members will like to change the rules so alcohol will be allow in the recreational pool house area.

Smile

RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Gordon,
I think I read your post correctly, it was my answer that caused the problem.

Lets go back a step. Does your CC&R's forbid alcoholic beverages on the common property? Lets say it is just a Board rule you are talking about? If this is the rule, no alcohol on common property, then of course you can change the rule. I don't think committees can make up rules or discard rules or whatever. They make recommendations to the Board. So then the committee does not enter into the equation at all as far as alcohol is concerned. Anything they propose has to be with the restriction no alcohol will be served.

I think you have a problem. If the rule is no alcohol, you are punishing the innocent owner that takes a drink in what amounts to his property. For a group of owners to get together and socialize and have drinks doesn't seem wrong to me. As long as you do not sell alcohol, I doubt you can restrict it's use in any common areas. You can restrict the kind of container, you can set hours of operation, you can restrict who is invited to an associations to do.
In fact there is a question if you can restrict renters from using community facilities. Some CC&R's do. I can be completely non personal, I gave up drinking 30 years ago.

So to be practical, your Board seems to have decided they will make a rule about consummation of alcohol on common property or some common property, and as long as it is not against the law I doubt you can win any legal battle. So the board will have to decide.

I also suspect there is more to the story. Nothing ever seems simple around here.
DonN (Michigan)
Posts: 357
Posted:
This can be a tricky issue with unanticipated consequences. Clearly, such an activity must be authorized in the governing documents.

Social Committees inherently become "clicky". Some members are interested; others are not. Any benefits inherently go to those who are interested and attend the social events. If association funds are used, this becomes a fairness issue. There will be pressure to use association funds.

I recommend that any role of the association be limited to facilitation by making the social cmte a cmte of the association and providing publicity and communication. A written charter is required to define the authorities and limitations. Any costs for social events including rent of the association facilities should be paid by the attendees who receive the benefit. A simple donation method should be sufficient to cover the costs.

MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Don,

I believe we were talking about social event for the members. So, why would rent of the assn facility be required? It would be like paying rent to yourself!

My assn has a Holiday Party each year. It's held at one of our parks; any costs incurred are paid for by the assn; all members and their guests are welcome to attend. The activities include: pictures with Santa & Mrs. Claus; gift bags for each child; a "bounce house"; face painting; balloon artists; children's raffle (prizes paid for by assn); adult raffle (prizes donated by local merchants). Earlier in the day Santa & Mrs. Clause ride through the neighborhood in an antique car. We don't have a social committee; the event is handled by the BOD. Santa & Mrs. Claus are our Pres and Treas.

I definitely agree, social activities must be authorized by the gov. docs. Our CCRs are very broad in the "use of funds" provision: ". . .for any uses of whatsoever kind or nature, and whether within or without the property, as the board may, in it's sole discretion, deem necessary, desirable or beneficial for the interests of the Property, the Owners or the Residents. . ."
GordonD1 (California)
Posts: 131
Posted:
Robert,

Per our Bylaws, CE&R's, and Rules and Regulations "Alcohol is prohibited in the recreation facilities and in common areas".

Thanks,

Gordon
GordonD1 (California)
Posts: 131
Posted:
Thank you Mary. I think this is an excellent idea.
GordonD1 (California)
Posts: 131
Posted:
Thank you Don. I will share your idea with the rest of the board members.

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