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VeronicaG (California)
Posts: 12
Posted:
Hello Everyone! We have a disruptive board member that wants to have complete control over the board and over the whole community. He walks around telling everybody how much "HE" has done for the community, which is a complete lie, and also tries to put other board directors down. As a homeowner, me and many other of my neighbors are fed up with this person. I was talking with a board member, and I was told that he can't be removed from the board unless everybody votes him off, which at this point in time, would be an extra expense that our association can't afford because we just had our elections and unfortunately this person made it only by a few votes. How can the board remove him without incurring in the extra trouble of having the whole community vote? During our elections, we had to mail the ballots twice because the quorum was not met, and I know it would probably be the same situation if we try to recall this one person... Can anybody help me! Thanks for your advise.
AnnaD2 (Florida)
Posts: 960
Posted:
How about publicly embarassing him at a board meeting? Sounds harsh, I know, but a few homeowners need to put it in writing to the Board of Directors that you find his comments and actions rude and offensive. The Board can put it on the agenda for the next meeting. We actually did that once.....and the agenda item read: Behavior of Board Member. Hopefully your other board members will be strong enough to address this at a meeting. The Board should also state that decisions are made as a "unit" and one board member is not solely responsible for getting things done.

He should also be told that criticising other board members serves no purpose, makes HIM look bad, and that if he can't work peacefully for the good of the association then maybe he should just quit.

But I know the type. He won't---quit that is. He also should be told (at the meeting) that if he has something negative to say about his fellow board members he should say it to their face, because some members are getting tired of hearing it from him. He's obviously got SOME support if people voted him in. But he's a board member now and he should understand what that means and start acting like one.

Just my humble opinion.
MikeS1
Posts: 521
Posted:
Our bylaws say that if a Board member misses 3 meetings that he/she can be easily voted off the Board by the other board members. Then the Bylaws (like ours) usually have a provision that the Board may appoint another member/resident until the next annual meeting when Elections are normally held. Check your bylaws.
TracieS (Colorado)
Posts: 460
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Posted By VeronicaG on 08/14/2009 1:21 PM
How can the board remove him without incurring in the extra trouble of having the whole community vote? Thanks for your advise.

What do your founding documents say about recalling a board member? It should be in there. Usually, the vote for recall does not have to be 100%, but it will be a large percentage.

If your members/owners vote the Board in, then only your members/owners can vote them out (barring something in your documents that allow the Board to remove one of its own...which I think would be unusual).

If you care enough to get rid of him, you'll do the mailing/petitioning/etc. If not, hopefully your BOD elections only elect BOD members for one year.

Otherwise, perhaps the public humiliation suggestion would work.

You do what you have to do.
TracieS (Colorado)
Posts: 460
Posted:
MikeS1...figures, an exception would pop up right before I submitted my response!

My docs have that provision as well, but if this BOD member is full of himself, I'm just guessing that he doesn't miss many opportunities to strut his stuff...
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
I think that BEFORE humiliating him in public the BOD should discus it with him in executive session (personnel matter) and give him a chance to get his act together; if that doesn't work then discus it in an open meeting. Some other things the BOD can do if he holds an officer position vote to remove him and make him member at large. You could also circulate a recall petition and make sure he or his family sees it. He may not even realize what he is doing in an effort to make himself look bigger actually makes him seem smaller.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
let's see. a majority of intelligent voting homeowners desired to have this individual re-elected, fully knowing his qualifications, past actions, and abilities. Perhaps you should listen to the will of the people, and wait till next time, and get more intelligent people on your side who don't want him in office, and vote him out.

and remember, the people who voted him in the first time are the same people you have to convince to vote him out...
EllenS1 (Florida)
Posts: 1,148
Posted:
Our docs say the same thing and in addition say the board can remove a board member without input from all owners. This is in Florida.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Ellen,

I'm surprised your bylaws allow the BOD to remove a board member "without input" (meaning voting???) from all owners. Usually the board can only remove a board member from his officer position but to be removed totally from the BOD requires a vote of the members. There may be exceptions such as missing a certain number of board meetings or being delinquent in assessments or in violation of the CCRs. Anything else would require a vote of the members.
GrahamM (Florida)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Not sure if your HOA by-laws would allow it, but you may be able to circulate a petition to homeowners (go door to door) and that may work in place of ballot style vote. Might be worth looking into. Good luck!
MarianneG (Indiana)
Posts: 170
Posted:
I think it all depends on how your documents are written.

Our bylaws allow removal of a director with cause by 2/3 vote of the remaining directors. "With cause includes, but is not limited to, acts of fraud, theft, deception, criminal behavior, breach or disclosure of confidential Board information or discussions to person(s) not on the Board, failure to conform or follow the Director's Statement of Conduct, or any other unauthorized acts which hinder, bypass or compromise the authority of the Board to act as a whole." Other causes for removal of a board director by 2/3 vote of the remaining directors are-- is s/he is absent for 3 consecutive meetings or is more than 30 delinquent in payments due the association.

I believe GlenL recommended not to plan to embarrass the person at an open board meeting, and I agree with that. You want to keep whatever you do as businesslike and decent as possible. You don't want to end up being viewed as the "bad guy" in this unfortunate situation. Oftentimes, what you do and say indicates more about you than it does about the person you do it to or say it about. This is a touchy situation which could become a real community bomb. I wish you good luck.
MarianneG (Indiana)
Posts: 170
Posted:
I meant to write -- IF s/he is absent.... or more than 30 days delinquent
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
To get back to the original question. What do you do with a disruptive Board Member.

Well, for one, we all know the Board elects the President and if this guy is creating a disruption the onus is on the President and the Pres does or should preside and he has the authority to maintain decorum. Even if it comes down to having security to do it. The members business comes first, usually the President sets the agenda and if he don't, he opens the meeting and he can set standing rules of conduct of all the members. The Pres usually picks committees, he is not obligated to pick every Board member for a committee. Don't give this guy any authority or public exposure. Ignore at meeting if the Board collectively or individually decides.

But FIRST. select a couple diplomates on the Board and along with the President have a private meeting with this guy. I am not big of Executive sessions but this could justify one. Explain how the meetings are going to be run, and go on from there. Worst thing in the world to happen to most people is to be isolated. Keep the pressure on him at the meeting, keep your BOD meetings open so all can see the reason for the Boards action and as someone mentioned do not hesitate to demand demand decorum and if chastising him publicly, so be it. But have a little chat first, then a ES and then public disdain ay meetings.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Very good, sound advice from Robert! However, I feel the need to caution anyone living in a state with open meeting laws; I believe CA is one. So is AZ, and here it would be against the law to have this chat in a closed session. If we were speaking about the job performance of an employee of the assn then it could be discussed in a closed session, but not a volunteer board member.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Mary,
Of course you are right. It appears in a lot of states and SC is one, there just isn't control anywhere about Executive Meetings and if the Board wants to discuss anything they don't have to a state what it was about or what was said regrd specifics and some even handle two or more subjects in an ES and will call ES outside a regular meeting and give no announcement before or after.

Not to open the old "ES" debate again, let me rephrase my suggestion and say that the Board should feel free to discuss this in an open session. Then if the offending Board Member objects, then shouldn't do it, and if ES is ruled out, they should do that, and since it is also ruled out for the BOD to dicuss this off the record, they should not do that.

So if we pick the lesser of three evils because ES has to state a reason I pick that one for discussion and justify it with a statement that ES is called for on such and such to discuss some internal board business, and let them sue me. I would, whether required or not, keep a record or maybe even a tape. And put it away for 7 years.
MichaelK11 (Texas)
Posts: 432
Posted:
I have not read the prior discussions about closed meetings.

First, does "executive session" always mean a closed meeting of the entire BoD? The name suggests a meeting of an executive committee -- just the officers or perhaps some other subset of Directors.

Can anyone say if Texas has open meeting laws for non-profit corporations or where I can find them?

Last, I believe the minutes of a closed meeting would be regular records of the corporation, which could not be sealed. In other words, they may meet in closed session, but the decisions they made (and the date of the meeting) should be available to the Membership.

In our BoD, we have seen no information about the closed meetings, other than they have occurred and will continue.
MichaelK11 (Texas)
Posts: 432
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Posted By MichaelK11 on 08/16/2009 10:01 PM
In our BoD, we have seen no information about the closed meetings, other than they have occurred and will continue.

From our BoD, . . .
In our HOA, . . .
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Michael,
Google "Executive Session, HOA's" for one.

Your state may have specific laws concerning this.
Also Search Robert's Rules of Order, but I think Google is better.

Then when you get through that you will normally find your Board MAY do things the way they want, to some or any degree. BUT there are rights and wrongs.

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