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JohnT6 (Washington)
Posts: 6
Posted:
As a past and current Board Pres/member we have made "changes" to a few of our use restrictions contained in the CC&R's. As an example, Prior to the change BB Hoops could not be visible from the street/neighbors at any time in usse or not. We defined that by changing the use restriction that they could be used, but on your property, not blocking the sidewalk or in the street and further during the period of May 30 through Sept 30 they could be left out and used during the hours of 9:00 am to 9:00 pm. Is this something that needs to be amended?
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
JohnT,
I Googled Resolution, Hoa.

Realty time article came up. In part below.

Url: http://realtytimes.com/rtpages/20051221_ccrs.htm

I think a look at the article is warrented.

Resolutions: A resolution is a method of formalizing a decision made by an homeowner association's board of directors. Resolutions are used to adopt policies, procedures, rules and regulations or to clarify ambiguous terms in the governing documents. Resolutions should include four components:

1.Authority. The section of the governing documents that gives the board authority to adopt resolutions;

2.Purpose. Why the resolution is needed or being adopted;

3.Scope and Intent. Who will be affected, the reach, range and extent

4.Specifications. A clear and complete statement on what those bound by the rule are expected to do.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
I sure hope that your resolution was worded better than you explained it.
JohnT6 (Washington)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Long winded I agree, basically pre-resolution - you could not have BB hoops that could be seen from the street or by your neighbors. Post resolution, you could have them up, but when not in use they were out of sight.
EllenS1 (Florida)
Posts: 1,148
Posted:
John,

Are you saying that the board alone made changes to your CC&Rs? I doubt this could have been done without following your covenants regarding amendments voted by a certain percentage of homeowners. A board does not have the authority to change CC&Rs without getting the required votes of members. In addition, any amended covenants need to be recorded so new buyers will know what they are. Your board's changes are meaningless unless you follow the proper procedures. This is what disturbs me. Boards thinking they can do anything they want and think they run everything is exactly what gives board members a bad name.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
John,

I'm sure the BOD has the authority to interpret CCR restrictions; however, I doubt they have the authority to change a restriction. Unless you post the CCR restriction and the BOD rule verbatim we cannot determine whether or not this was done. Thx!
KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
Posted:
I do not see how a resolution can tell you what times you can use the basketball hoops. I could see if it was voted to state that the hoops were to only remain outside between 9am and 9pm, but to tell a homeowner that they can only perform a certain action on their property for twelve hours seems a little too controlling...

It would be as if the HOA passed a resolution stating you could only have your windows open from 9am to 9pm... anytime before or after, your curtains must be drawn, or you could only wash your car before 5pm.
JohnT6 (Washington)
Posts: 6
Posted:
What we did was go from no BB hoops visible from the street and neighbors property to allowing hoops during the summer vacation period (and they didn't have to put them out of sight when they weren't in use) as long as they were not in the right of way (street-sidewalks). The way it was originally written was NO BB hoops visible, period...tried to make it more neighborhood friendly.

The problem started when folks started sinking BB hoops in the sidewalk and street, the city frowned on that since it is a right of way issue.
JohnT6 (Washington)
Posts: 6
Posted:
We're talking USE RESTRICTINS ONLY. The Lawyer used the terms, interpretive and defining - 99% of the things we did were not changes (we only worked on 3 of our 25 Use Restriction). We wanted to make lawyer speak understandable to the common clave, which is how almost every set of by-laws and CC&R's are not written. If we can't confuse, beat them into submission, which is NOT how our HOA wants to operate!
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
John,

If your CCRs say "no BB hoops visible, etc." and the board adopted a resolution to allow BB to be out in the open during certain times, IMO, you changed the CCR restriction. You cannot interpret "cannot be visible" to mean they can be out during certain times. Are the invisible during those certain times??? I would be curious to know how the assn's attorney justified this interpretation. The only way I can see to get around this restriction is to amend the CCRs and have it removed altogether or reword it like your resolution.
JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 967
Posted:
I agree with Mary. The change to the CCRs would have to be (properly) accomplished as directed in the docs - probably with a given % of Membership approving. A BOD resolution doesn't swish.
JohnT6 (Washington)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Thanks for the input, that is one of the three we are addressing, however if you cannot get 67% to vote where do you go from there. With 402 homes in our HOA we're lucky to get 20 to show up for annual meetings and even less on quarterly. Apathy is a problem, plus we have a lot of quit claims and short sales and the new homeowners shirk their HOA responsibilities like you wouldn't believe, even when they get the CC&R's/By-Laws, the attitude is, "doesn't apply to me". Then we follow our NTC, fine and lien procedures and we're good to go.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
JohnT,
Anything in your documents that would allow you to propose changes and allow for mail in ballot approval? Just a thought.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
JohnK,
I agree also. Now, does this sort of reach a consensus by those posting? You can't muck around with the documents as written unless you do an amendment.

No tweaking allowed to any subject covered in the written documents. Resolution are for a board action to propose (in this case) that an amendment should be attempted.

Seems right to me.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Robert,

The BOD usually has the authority to interpret the CCRs; however that interpretation cannot change the meaning of the restriction. Also the BOD generally has the ability to make new rules; however, those rules cannot be in conflict with the gov docs. This is usually spelled out in the provision giving the board the authority. If the BOD wants to totally change a restriction a vote of the members would be required as that would be amending the CCRs.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
John,

All you can do is try. If enough people do not vote on the amendment then nothing will change. However, if enough people want the change to be made I'm sure they would come out to vote for it. Apathy reign its ugly head in many assns. I know of one assn that could not get enough people to vote to change the CCRs to remove the requirement to raise the dues by 10% each year. If people aren't going to take the time to vote to save money, they're not going to take the time to vote on more mundane issues.
EllenS1 (Florida)
Posts: 1,148
Posted:
John,

I couldn't agree more.
EllenS1 (Florida)
Posts: 1,148
Posted:
John,

I really sympathize with you. Apathy abounds in all hoas. Our 101 townhomes had the largest number of owners showing up(40) in the nine years I have lived here and that was only because they were informed they might be in for a big special assessment. I guess using proxies may work but some of our owners are too lazy to even send them in. I'm sorry I have no answer for you. Covenants are drawn up by the builder for the builder and after all homes are sold they could care less. The only suggestion I can make is to go door to door to see what other owners think and then ask them to vote for an amendment to their docs. Until then the board must follow the covenants.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
John and all,
I am sure you all know this but it bears repeating. Associations do indeed have the problems are confirmed in this thread. But, we also have to understand if we stand around wringing our hands (and I am not suggesting that was implied), then the association world passes you by, in a sense. I mean pay too much attention to one deficiency and ten more things that have to be contended pops up in the next three days. Life in associations do not take place on meeting days only, it is a constant flux that requires a storekeeper at all times. Events years past can jump into your lap and require you to expend lots of time and energy. The Board has a tough job and so does the member that wants to make a better association, so arm yourselve and go to battle if you must, but expect to have demands that you never dreamed you would have to address.

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