MichaelK11 (Texas)
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Can anyone tell me if a mandatory HOA in Texas can discharge debts through bankruptcy or dissolution, or if the Member homeowners are ultimately liable? Are claims against an HOA utlimately secured by equity in the Members' homes? Are bankruptcy courts allowed or required to transfer HOA some or all debts to the individual member homeowners? Is it practical for creditors and claimants to initiate collection action against individual (former) member homeowners, to sue them, or to step into the place of the HOA in order to collect? Can they do this if an HOA simply refuses to pay? Can they do this in the event of dissolution?
I am trying to understand the exposure of myself and other homeowners. The possibility of assessments is obvious; however, it is possible that the Membership may not agree to assessments, and the Board of Directors has pursued this on its own, without revealling the full cost and risk to most homeowners. The major assets of the HOA are common areas of limited value. Assume debt to the HOA lawyer and judgments exceed what they HOA gets from assessments and common area sales or foreclosures, and the HOA declares bankruptcy or simply dissolves. Are we liable as individual former-member homeowners for any remaining debt to our lawyer and/or judgments? Can this be collected from selected individual homeowners? Can it be levied directly upon all former-member homeowners equally (as an assessment) in the absence of an HOA? Can an HOA dissolve without a zero balance sheet?
This past year has seen a major dispute between the HOA and a member, regarding their construction of a retaining wall on a small strip of HOA property, over which the owner(s) of that lot have an easement. The dispute concerns the rights of the lot owner under the easement: the HOA says the easment specifies a right of passage/traversal, and they have no right to build a wall without HOA permission; and the homeowner says it is an exclusive use easement conveying all rights except ownership, and they have an obligation to build the wall to prevent erosion on the easement area and to support their own lot and home foundation. The easement area is positioned on a steep slope from the level of the lot down to a golf course pond.
This has become a very contentious and expensive dispute. The HOA's legal costs have skyrocketed. The defendant homeowners are a husband and wife who are both lawyers and own a law firm. They have asked for a lot of discovery (most of which they have not yet received), although they have not yet countersued (despite encouragment from the Judge to do so). The defedants obtained through discovery invoices from the HOA's attorneys totalling $74,000 from start through March 31st. From before start through mid-June, the HOA Board insisted that the total cost would be from $15,000 to $30,000 and insisted no more than $14,000 had been spent. At the July Board meeting, they announced that the cost through June 30th was over $90,000, of which $61,000 had been paid (mostly in the past month). They expressed shock and regret that our fellow homeowners have dragged us through this. (They have often referred to these lawyers, but never before as "fellow homeowners".)
The Board contends that most of the expense is behind us. I suspect that is only true if we settle quickly. They are unwilling to settle, and the defendant is also unwilling to stop. They contend that we are winning, but I believe the Court has consistently ruled against us and is beginning to get very annoyed with us. I suspect our legal costs could rise to $300,000 to $500,000. The Board has said repeatedly that the defendants are not entitled to collect their legal costs from us; but our Declarations of CE&Rs clearly state that when the HOA sues a homeowner, the prevailing party is entitled to collect their attorney's fees from the losing party. I don't know if that applies to lawyers pro se (representing themselves); but I think the defendants have already won the Declaratory and Breach of Contract actions, and attorney's fees are mandatory for Breach. So I think this could conceivably cost us up to $1M. If this lawyer manages to get a jury pissed off at us enough to send a message to HOAs to "leave people alone", then perhaps $2M or $3M. (Anything higher would probably get knocked down on appeal, but then our property values are in the pits for the durration of appeals.)
One of our Directors says he is an attorney. At our annual meeting, he told over 100 Members that he is an attorney and an expert in real estate law, and his advice is that we should continue this lawsuit and we will win. When asked, he said that we would collect our legal costs from the defendant and he could not collect his from us. He advised against stopping this suit, because then we would lose what we had put into it; but if we continued we would recoup our costs from the defendant.
In private conversation, unbeknownst to these many homeowners, he admitted that he is not a member of the TX State Bar Association, but stated he is a Member of the Indiana Bar. In fact, he has been suspended from the Indiana Bar since May 2007.
This Director states categorically that creditors and claimants against the HOA have no access to the equity in our homes -- that if unpaid, they cannot set liens or foreclose. Given this guy's track record, I'm inclined to take that statement alone as evidence of the opposite.
Any ideas or information about this?
Thanks in advance for comments and suggestions.
I am trying to understand the exposure of myself and other homeowners. The possibility of assessments is obvious; however, it is possible that the Membership may not agree to assessments, and the Board of Directors has pursued this on its own, without revealling the full cost and risk to most homeowners. The major assets of the HOA are common areas of limited value. Assume debt to the HOA lawyer and judgments exceed what they HOA gets from assessments and common area sales or foreclosures, and the HOA declares bankruptcy or simply dissolves. Are we liable as individual former-member homeowners for any remaining debt to our lawyer and/or judgments? Can this be collected from selected individual homeowners? Can it be levied directly upon all former-member homeowners equally (as an assessment) in the absence of an HOA? Can an HOA dissolve without a zero balance sheet?
This past year has seen a major dispute between the HOA and a member, regarding their construction of a retaining wall on a small strip of HOA property, over which the owner(s) of that lot have an easement. The dispute concerns the rights of the lot owner under the easement: the HOA says the easment specifies a right of passage/traversal, and they have no right to build a wall without HOA permission; and the homeowner says it is an exclusive use easement conveying all rights except ownership, and they have an obligation to build the wall to prevent erosion on the easement area and to support their own lot and home foundation. The easement area is positioned on a steep slope from the level of the lot down to a golf course pond.
This has become a very contentious and expensive dispute. The HOA's legal costs have skyrocketed. The defendant homeowners are a husband and wife who are both lawyers and own a law firm. They have asked for a lot of discovery (most of which they have not yet received), although they have not yet countersued (despite encouragment from the Judge to do so). The defedants obtained through discovery invoices from the HOA's attorneys totalling $74,000 from start through March 31st. From before start through mid-June, the HOA Board insisted that the total cost would be from $15,000 to $30,000 and insisted no more than $14,000 had been spent. At the July Board meeting, they announced that the cost through June 30th was over $90,000, of which $61,000 had been paid (mostly in the past month). They expressed shock and regret that our fellow homeowners have dragged us through this. (They have often referred to these lawyers, but never before as "fellow homeowners".)
The Board contends that most of the expense is behind us. I suspect that is only true if we settle quickly. They are unwilling to settle, and the defendant is also unwilling to stop. They contend that we are winning, but I believe the Court has consistently ruled against us and is beginning to get very annoyed with us. I suspect our legal costs could rise to $300,000 to $500,000. The Board has said repeatedly that the defendants are not entitled to collect their legal costs from us; but our Declarations of CE&Rs clearly state that when the HOA sues a homeowner, the prevailing party is entitled to collect their attorney's fees from the losing party. I don't know if that applies to lawyers pro se (representing themselves); but I think the defendants have already won the Declaratory and Breach of Contract actions, and attorney's fees are mandatory for Breach. So I think this could conceivably cost us up to $1M. If this lawyer manages to get a jury pissed off at us enough to send a message to HOAs to "leave people alone", then perhaps $2M or $3M. (Anything higher would probably get knocked down on appeal, but then our property values are in the pits for the durration of appeals.)
One of our Directors says he is an attorney. At our annual meeting, he told over 100 Members that he is an attorney and an expert in real estate law, and his advice is that we should continue this lawsuit and we will win. When asked, he said that we would collect our legal costs from the defendant and he could not collect his from us. He advised against stopping this suit, because then we would lose what we had put into it; but if we continued we would recoup our costs from the defendant.
In private conversation, unbeknownst to these many homeowners, he admitted that he is not a member of the TX State Bar Association, but stated he is a Member of the Indiana Bar. In fact, he has been suspended from the Indiana Bar since May 2007.
This Director states categorically that creditors and claimants against the HOA have no access to the equity in our homes -- that if unpaid, they cannot set liens or foreclose. Given this guy's track record, I'm inclined to take that statement alone as evidence of the opposite.
Any ideas or information about this?
Thanks in advance for comments and suggestions.