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ErrolA (Texas)
Posts: 19
Posted:
I was recently elected as President of my community's HOA when the past President chose to resign in the middle of the year with knowledge that the HOA's funds would not pay the bills past October of 2009. In reviewing the HOA finances, several issues have arisen. 1. The past President: chose to file liens against every property that is delinquent in assessment payments, thereby creating over $5000.00 in attorney's fees. 2. Committing over $20,000.00 in HOA funds to changing the water meter from one master meter to indivdual homeowner meters thereby placing a serious financial strain on the HOA. 3. Allowing her boyfriend to make calls to homeowner's with delinquent assessment and advising them that he is a "consultant" for the HOA. Does the HOA have any form of recourse regarding what appears to be a breach of fiduciary and ethical responsibilty?
RobertG (Arizona)
Posts: 505
Posted:
Are you saying the president did all these things without the rest of the board knowing?
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Errol,

I suggest you thoroughly read all your gov docs to determine exactly what duties and authority the BOD and/or Pres have. These action that the Pres took may not have been in violation of the gov. docs. Only if they were would a breach of fiduciary resp. occur. If the Pres acted alone in making all these decisions I must ask, "where is the rest of the board?" The Pres is only one vote on the BOD and shouldn't be doing anything the other board members haven't agreed to. However, that is a problem with the board members that they need to resolve.

Filing liens against h/o's who are delinquent in payment of assessments may have been the right course to take depending upon how many months in arrears each h/o was. As for the attorney's fees, they should be added to each h/o's account that had a lien filed against them. Only if the lien is not paid and a foreclosure would be necessary would there be a possibility that the sttorney's fee would not be collected thereby necessitating the HOA to pay it.

Having her boyfriend act as a bill collector for the HOA would not be a breach of fidicuary resp just a very stupid decision. Third party debt collectors must comply with the FDCPA (Fed Debt Collection Practices Act). It's best to let the assn attorney deal with serious delinquencies. Again, did the other board members agree to this?

Were you elected as Pres by the members of the assn or by the other board members? Were you a member of the BOD at the time this Pres. was in office? If so, perhaps you can shed some light on whether the Pres made these decisions on her own.
ErrolA (Texas)
Posts: 19
Posted:
The other board members were not in agreement with the president's decisions.
RobertG (Arizona)
Posts: 505
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By ErrolA on 07/14/2009 9:10 PM
The other board members were not in agreement with the president's decisions.

I don't understand. If the majority of board members don't agree then why is the president - president?
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Errol,

I must echo Robert's thoughts! The Pres is only one vote on the board. If he is abusing his authority the other board members should be able to vote in a new Pres. Aren't the officer positions voted on by the BOD?
ErrolA (Texas)
Posts: 19
Posted:
The president has an overbearing nature. In speaking with the other board members, she would follow through with issues whether or not the board was in agreement.
ErrolA (Texas)
Posts: 19
Posted:
The officer's positions are voted in by the board. The president decided to resign mid year which is leaves the new board finacially strapped to pay for the basic community necessities.
ErrolA (Texas)
Posts: 19
Posted:
I was elected by the association memebers. I was not a member of the previous board. We face serious financial issues and are challenged to keep the HOA afloat. Just found out that a signed contact does not exist for the water meter project (conversion to individual meters) and the contractor has already received $15000.00 upfront. The work is in progress.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Errol,

It's not the Pres' resignation that has left the assn financially strapped, it's the mismanagement of the board. I'm sorry, but I firmly believe all the board members need to take the blame for the state you're in. Whether or not the Pres' personality is overbearing, as I said earlier, she has only one vote. The rest of you let her get away with doing things you all were opposed to which makes you as much at fault as her. Be thankful that she resigned and hopefully make some changes to prevent this from happening again. The board needs to work together and only undertake projects that have been OK'd by a majority vote of the board. Just because a person wears the Pres' hat doesn't mean he/she has autonomy.
ErrolA (Texas)
Posts: 19
Posted:
Thanks Mary. As I stated, I was not a member of the previous board. Does the present board have any recourse action regarding the previous board's mismanagement of HOA funds?
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Errol, you can recoup the attorney fees when the liens are paid as others have stated. The boyfriend is gone so that problem should be resolved. The remaining problem seems to be the water meters of which $15,000 of a $20,000 project has been paid. If the president improperly authorized the MC to make the payment then the only recourse I can see is suing the woman for the money. Now she may be initially protected by the D&O part of your HOA insurance but if the minutes clearly show the vote to change the meters failed and she went ahead anyway then the insurance may decline to provide for her defense. If your BOD is bonded you may have recourse there or you may be able to cancel the contract and recoup most of the money already spent. The BOD really needs to get the attorney involved in this matter and yes I know that costs but it may save in the long run. Also do your documents allow for changing from master meters to individual meters? Ours does but the steps required make it virtually impossible to accomplish.

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SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Errol - you should request the minutes of the meeting where the MOTION to spend those funds is recorded.

Somehow, I find it unusual (no, unbelievable) that the president (one person) is authorizing this kind of project without it being approved. If she is, then you have more problems than just that . . .

Ask the secretary for the minutes of the meeting where this was discussed and look for a motion.

MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Errol,

Sorry, I must have missed your message that stated you are a new board member. However, I was under the impression that the Pres has just resigned, which would mean you have served with her, right? IMO, any board member who served with her must take some of the resp. for her actions. In my last msg I explained why I think this way so I won't belabor the point any further.

Gary has given you some very good advice on how to deal with the past Pres' unauthorized actions. However, b/4 the board would go forward with a lawsuit, they better have proof that a vote was taken that failed and the Pres went ahead with the project anyhow. Since all the board members let the Pres get away with doing as she pleased, it's doubtful they would have the nerve to bring a lawsuit against her. Hopefully I'm wrong because I firmly believe she should be punished for her actions.
ErrolA (Texas)
Posts: 19
Posted:
Sorry Mary for the delay in responding. I did not serve on the board with the past President. When she announced that she was resigning, elections were held to install a new board. I was elected President of the new BOD.
ErrolA (Texas)
Posts: 19
Posted:
Thank you Susan. Will request the minutes of the meeting and look for a motion.
ErrolA (Texas)
Posts: 19
Posted:
Thanks Glen for your assistance. Please explai what recourse we would have should the BOD be bonded. How would she be protected bt the D&O portion of the HOA insurance?
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Errol - get your hands on the work order contract for this job. Someone from the board must have signed it. Your treasurer or the secretary should be able to provide you with it.

ErrolA (Texas)
Posts: 19
Posted:
There is no signed contract. Only emails between the contractor and previous HOA management company. Asked contractor about the absence of a signed contract and he admits it was a mistake not to have a signed contract.
JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 967
Posted:
A few notes about contracts (aka Ks in law school shorthand).

1. Only a few, specific Ks need be in writing under the Statute of Frauds (such as for the sale of land or a promise made in contemplation of marriage). Not applicable here.

2. An exchange of emails could be evidence of a valid K if they demonstrate a meeting of the minds. Offer, acceptance and consideration are the primary elements.

3. Reliance on “Apparent authority” is when a 3rd party – here the contractor, or even the PM – is when that 3rd party could have a reasonable belief that someone – here, Ms. Prez – had the power to agree to the K terms. Here, probably the case.

4. Finally, “Detrimental reliance” comes into play when a 3rd party – here, the contractor – takes actions to his detriment – here, beginning the project – which sort of seals the agreed K deal. Here, also probably the case.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Stated in our bylaws: No one member can act as an agent of the corporation without authorization from the board.

I suppose any agreement between board member A and a contractor could be held not valid.

Can you imagine if all board members went about entering into agreements or contracts willy-nilly?

JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 967
Posted:
Susan writes:

>>>I suppose any agreement between board member A and a contractor could be held not valid.<<<

Could be? Yes. But see my 2-4 above. The easiest liabiity, under your docs, would be BMA's to the HOA for losses incurred. But when third parties are involved, and those third parties are acting in good faith, the HOA could still be on the hook.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Errol,
Come on, you have been asked this. First you said you were elected by the members to be president of the Board. Above you are implying a new Board was elected. So now, no one served under this resigned president.

If you are legal president and if you were elected by the members and if the new board was elected by the members, and if all the rest of this is accurate, do you have some sort of a confidence vote from the new board members? If all the new members were elected at the same time, did you have a second election to elect the new president.

I think, in view of what you are saying about the past board where the president decided to retire and I guess the rest of the Board also, and you elect BOD the way you say, you are just setting up to create the same situation again.

The question I have is your BOD and the President legal. Fine if they are, but it seems difficult to establish.
MichaelK11 (Texas)
Posts: 432
Posted:
The individual actions the former President took don't sound like fiduciary breach. Some sounded stupid, and if she had the HOA pay her boy friend, that might be embezzlement.

The only fiduciary breach I see is if that Presidnet took action contrary to the decisions of the Board or did things that required the Boards approval without any such vote.

The amounts sound small -- not worth the cost of a lawsuit. This might depend on whether you could actually recover attorney's fees, and whether your HOA has D&O insurance that might pay for this.

Most likely, your HOA needs to just eat the cost of poor managment and try to be more careful in future. You may need a special assessment to replenish your funds for the remainder of the year, or you may need to reduce your budget. Perhaps if the Board could obtain credit, you could spread the deficit over several frugal years instead of assessing extra funds from the Members?

I might make some suggestions privately (especially since you are also in Texas), which are not appropriate for posting in this forum. Is there a method for private messaging among members of the forum?
AnnaD2 (Florida)
Posts: 960
Posted:
Sure we do it all the time. Just post your e-mail address, and ask them to write you. I've done it several times and e-mail privately with lots of people on this forum.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
AnnaD,
I would caution not to be so casual about it. "We do it all the time."
There is nothing I know that disallows this and certainly I have done it and will continue. However, we must realize that any information you receive "off this site" must be considered when you post on the site. You can not allow yourself to post "you don't know what you are talking about because I know the whole story."

So I suggest that if we do this we respect the fact that this is a site that we hope will contribute enough information to be of help to all that post, not simply a vehicle to circumvent the system to expound on our personal convictions.

I hope this makes sense, it is just I don't think we would contribute as much if we operate as a wheel within a wheel.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
MichaelK,
There's a lot of logic it what you post and undoubtedly resolution has to be along these lines.

However, all this is dependent on a stable and wise Board of directors. So far, we have not heard how this new board stands nor have we heard about how the election/recall, whatever, was conducted and was the process vetted and there is now a legal leadership as per documents.

I don't question the election that allows the members to directly elect the president. I know that there are some states that apparently allow this, although I believe it is not the norm.

Unless some owner wants to personally make a charge of Fiduciary irresponsibility, I really believe the Board and administration should be solid and represent the owners. If not they would open the association to a wide range of counter charges.

If I recall, the OP was about a rogue President circumventing the process and acting in some dictatorial unilateral fashion that was putting the association in danger. Have they now fallen back into the same trap. Of course this is just a personal read and not meant to be all conclusive or right for that matter.

MichaelK11 (Texas)
Posts: 432
Posted:
Not sure how your post relates to mine.

I wrote about whether the description posted showed fiduciary breach by the former president and what could be done.

You are writing about the validity of the new Board, and what they are doing.

Is your point that the new Board might not have standing to do anything about alleged fiduciary breach, even if they had some otherwise practical recourse?

I read an article in the news section of this web site about an HOA ousting its Board, in which both sides went to Court. One of the leaders of that "revolt", who is mentioned in the article, had a name with some of the same letters as one of the posting names in this thread. Hmmm.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
MichaelK,
I am also not sure how my post relates to yours other than to comment that your post showed good reasoning and suggest that, if appropriate, your proposal would be the way the process would proceed.

I am not questioning the validity of the OP. I do feel there is lots that need to be established before I would want to opine about court charges against the departed Board.

I want to know more about this election and how it came about and if it is now established and recorded. If it is a bunch of new people taking over the helm I say don't get involved in any court process if you have a choice, learn your job as BOD and President. If this was a collective change over time and the new folks had done their homework and collected facts and had evidence, then maybe they could jump into a court case, I wouldn't know.

We have all kinds of good people posting on this site, that is what keeps the regulars around, lots of variety, lots of different approaches and very little dissension. We can end up helping a few, end up pissing a very few off, and really serve as a sounding board for many. Look at the traffic here.

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