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LisaB12 (South Carolina)
Posts: 13
Posted:
I have been serving as President of our HOA for almost 2 years. Over the past couple of months, I have requested the Treasurer add me to the HOA account and sign us up for on-line banking. I thought this should be done as a "checks and balance" since the account and books have remained in his sole possession since he took over as Treasurer in early 2007. We recently learned that the signature card held the names of the original officers, and the former president informed me of this and took the initiative to go by our local branch to have his name removed and mine added. As it turned out, a new signature was never filled out and the current Treasurer was not listed on the account.

By last week, I was becoming a little frustrated with his lack of progress and decided to go to the bank and have my name added, and also requested on-line access be established. The first time I logged onto our account, I noticed several checsk the Treasurer had written to himself. Some of these were office supplies although his expenses at best should be a minimum since he said he was running any mailings through his company's meter rather than paying for postage. A couple of the checks are without any explanation. Our Bylaws state that any expenses have to be approved before he can disburse funds. He never approached me or the other board members about purchasing supplies and mulch for our entrance, and since we are on a very tight budget we have refrained from using funds carelessly.

In addition to the checks, I noticed an on-line bill payment to Home Depot for $503.00 withdrawn from our HOA account. We do not have an account with Home Depot, nor have we purchased any materials from Home Depot. The board sent a letter requesting receipts for the out-of-pocket expenses and approval for the checks he wrote to himself, and an explanation for the Home Depot payment. The board members also asked him to return the checkbook, and post office box key which he has failed to do.

I know we can remove him with or without cause, but want to make sure we are handling this the correct way. We had hoped he would resign quietly, but he has not done this and we would like to make the community aware of his actions with their HOA funds. Some residents even want him prosecuted, but I would prefer he resign and then close the current account. We have already secured the account.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Lisa,

Just in case he has embezzled some assn fund, I'm hoping he is covered by a fidelity bond. If not, your next course of action should be to obtain a fidelity bond for all board members who have access to the assn's funds.

If all you've written is true, IMO, the board has just cause to ask for his resignation. If he doesn't resign then steps should be taken to have him recalled. Someone like this has no business being a board member, must less the treasurer. When I served as treas of my former HOA, whenever I needed to reimb myself for postage and/or office supplies, I showed the board members the receipts and would ask the Pres. to sign the check. The check to Home Depot give me cause for alarm. In fact, I would be going back to the start of his tenure and checking out all the checks he wrote and reviewing all the receipts. If he doesn't return the checkbook and mail box key -- and whatever other records of the assn he has in his possession, I would have an attorney send a letter demading all these items be returned immediately or legal action will be taken. I hope you got everything straightened out at the bank and that he is no longer a signatory on the account.
LisaB12 (South Carolina)
Posts: 13
Posted:
Thank you for the advice. Unfortunately, we do not have a fidelity bond and I agree it is something we need. I wanted to handle this matter fairly, and give him adequate time to respond to our letter and requests for the return of HOA property. He informed the VP he would return the checkbook and post office box key tonight. I am unsure why he refused to return it within the deadline requested in our letter; however, he also informed the VP he has or is hiring an attorney. We simply wanted him to resign without embarrassment, but he has forced the issue and some residents have heard some of what is going on and are demanding full disclosure. When he informed our VP he would return the checkbook to him tonight, our VP asked about the checks and Home Depot bill payment, but he refused to answer.

I have already obtained approval from the BOD to request our bank statements from the time he assumed the position of Treasurer, and we will be reviewing these, as well.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
I hope your board will go into Executive Session with the treasurer and ask for an accounting of all checks written. (But, really, this should have taken place EVERY month in the regular treasurer's report to the Board)

Things have gotten so accusatory that all this is best heard in ES.

If there is an approved budget of X amount for office supplies, then him spending that for supplies is NOT out of line.

The Home Depot thing MAY be payment for materials for some repair. You need to wait and hear his explanation before demanding a resignation.

LisaB12 (South Carolina)
Posts: 13
Posted:
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Posted By SusanW1 on 07/13/2009 5:20 PM
I hope your board will go into Executive Session with the treasurer and ask for an accounting of all checks written. (But, really, this should have taken place EVERY month in the regular treasurer's report to the Board)

Things have gotten so accusatory that all this is best heard in ES.

If there is an approved budget of X amount for office supplies, then him spending that for supplies is NOT out of line.

The Home Depot thing MAY be payment for materials for some repair. You need to wait and hear his explanation before demanding a resignation.


Hi Susan

1. One big issue is that he never provides any regular treasurer's report. When I beg for something to submit at meetings, he usually provides a pie chart showing what percentage of expenses go where. He provided 1 profit and loss report last year.

2. NO materials were approved for any repairs or anything else. We are having financial struggles now and were advised we did not have enough money to make repairs to some street signs in the community hat are in dire need of repair. Also, we are a community of 45 homes and have absolutely no amenities. We do not have a Home Depot account. The Vice President and Secretary have no knowledge of what the expense is for. Also, when he did provide a P&L report last year it was after the Home Depot on-line bill payment and NOTHING regarding Home Depot was shown as a budgeted or non-budgeted expense during the month when the on-line payment occurred. We do not have a budget for office supplies; however, if he had provided receipts for legitimate expenses that would satisfy everyone. The bigger problem is a couple of identical checks written on the same date for office supplies and then another check written to himself where he entered "dues" in the "for" line.

I think we have more than enough reason to request his resignation. The other BOD want him removed with cause. This HOA has operated so loosely in the past that I can promise none of the other BOD know what Executive Sessions is, but even so, is that necessary to remove him from office?

Thank you.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Lisa,

Check your bylaws to find out what steps should be taken to remove a board member from office. Usually if the board member was elected by the members he will have to be removed by the members. This would be accomplished by calling a special meeting of the members for this purpose. Check your bylaws and CCRs for the requirements for a special meeting of the members. Also check out any state statutes pertaining to HOAs. However, if this person was "elected" Pres by his fellow board members then he can be removed from that office by the BOD but will remain a director.

Another posted stated discussion of this would have to take place in an executive session. Well, if your assn was in AZ, that would be against the law! Check your state HOA statutes for an open meeting law (a law stating all meetings of the board are required to be noticed and open to all members.)
LisaB12 (South Carolina)
Posts: 13
Posted:
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Posted By MaryA1 on 07/14/2009 7:18 AM
Lisa,

Check your bylaws to find out what steps should be taken to remove a board member from office. Usually if the board member was elected by the members he will have to be removed by the members. This would be accomplished by calling a special meeting of the members for this purpose. Check your bylaws and CCRs for the requirements for a special meeting of the members. Also check out any state statutes pertaining to HOAs. However, if this person was "elected" Pres by his fellow board members then he can be removed from that office by the BOD but will remain a director.

Another posted stated discussion of this would have to take place in an executive session. Well, if your assn was in AZ, that would be against the law! Check your state HOA statutes for an open meeting law (a law stating all meetings of the board are required to be noticed and open to all members.)

Mary -

I've checked the Bylaws regarding removing an officer, and the BOD can remove an officer with or without cause. The officers also serve as the BOD since we couldn't generate enough interest to form a separate BOD.

Here is where the nightmare begins. When I was elected to fulfill the role of President, I was only elected by the members in attendance at that meeting. The former President wanted to resign after 5 years of serving in that capacity. The Treasurer (who we are trying to remove) was elected the same way. Mostly, he submited his name for nomination and it was essentially turned over to him. Our Developer had no Bylaws for the HOA (and therefore there were no term limits, no means of holding elections and voting, etc.). Big surprise! I contacted the Developer, and he was almost clueless about Bylaws. Last year, we attempted to amend the CC&R's and have a draft set of Bylaws accepted by the members. The amendment did not pass, and so the Bylaws were only accepted by the officers. Not sure how much of an issue this poses. There has been a great deal of apathy in our community, but it seems to happen nearly everywhere from past experience.

So, the Treasuer was neither elected as an officer or board member by the HOA members. Our SC Code does have Bylaws for the operation of a non-profit corporation, and mostly our Bylaws are in agreement with those. We do not have a SC State HOA Act that applies to communities, only one specifically addressing condiminum associations. I believe it is called the Horizontal Property Act

Last night he forfeited HOA property, and provided a cover letter with a list of bogus receipts for over-inflated office expenses. In addition, he stated that the Home Depot on-line payment from the HOA account was a "mistake" when he inadvertently looked at the HOA checking account and routing numbers instead of his own. He also provided a contact name for an attorney he has sought legal advice from, and we have just learned from the SC Bar Assocation (after being unable to reach this attorney via the phone number provided)that this "attorney" is not a member of the SC Bar Association and therefore unable to practice law in SC. I am in total disbelief since he's fully aware I have 25 years paralegal experience.

So, the BOD/officers have decided to send a letter to the Treasurer via certified mail asking for his resignation. The remaining BOD/officers also want to retain an attorney to look over the paperwork, and then turn it over to our solicitor's office if there is sufficient cause. This is not what I wanted to see happen, but I believe the BOD/officers believe there is a breech of trust and possibly some criminal wrong-doing with the Home Depot situation. I believe the BOD/officers believe we have to fully disclose everything to the HOA members.

Any more advice/suggestions?

Thanks!

SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
You do not have to ASK for his resignation. simply hold the vote to remove him, whether that is by board members or a special meeting of the members to remove him from the board.

Then get an independent person in there to review the checkbook and other accounts. you MAY have to file a lawsuit against him if he has embezzled.

So he got a lawyer - so what for? Be sure you don't make ANY accusations until you get that audit or whatever is needed to straighten this out. In the meantime, he will be removed for no other reason than being uncooperative to the board's request for information stemming from his job.

SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
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We recently learned that the signature card held the names of the original officers, and the former president informed me of this and took the initiative to go by our local branch to have his name removed and mine added. As it turned out, a new signature was never filled out and the current Treasurer was not listed on the account.

In case you didn't notice, banks don't check signatures. They don't check the signature. They don't check if you require 2 signatures, etc.

As far as the Home Depot, why not just give him a call and ask him?

As for removing him? If you have decided to remove him, just do it. Just make sure not to spread rumors about the home depot receipt until you get the real story.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Lisa,

Please explain your statement: "The officers also serve as the BOD since we couldn't generate enough interest to form a separate BOD." There should only be one BOD for the assn. In most assn's the board members (the directors) are elected by the members. The director then elect officers from among themselves. If there is a 5-member board, 5 directors will also be officers and the 5th director is usually called a "member-at-large". This means all board members are directors but not all directors are officers. If your bylaws say a board member may be removed from his position as a director by the BOD then this can be done by a majority vote of the board members. However if they say an officer may be removed by the BOD that means a director who is also an officer can be removed from his officer position by a vote of the BOD; however, he can only be removed as a director by the members.

As for the bylaws, they can be adopted by the BOD; IMO, a vote of the members shouldn't be required. However, a copy of the bylaws should be sent to all members as they are entitled to have copies of all the governing documents.

If the Home Depot payment was a mistake have you checked to see if he made a deposit to the HOAs bank account for the amount that was paid to Home Depot. Just saying it was a mistake doesn't correct the error! After you get the full story on the Home Depot payment, I agree the members should be informed of what has transpired. However I wouldn't tell the homeowners of any "suspicions" you may have about the treasurer; only tell them what you know to be a fact. That would be that he made some questionable transactions that are being further looked into and the board felt these actions were worthy of asking for his resignation. In the meantime, you should have someone, preferable a CPA, look over the books to determine if there are any missing funds. If the Home Depot transaction was the "error" that he made you may want to ask him for a reimbursement (if he hasn't already done so) otherwise the BOD will be forced to take legal action against him. However, if it's found out that other monies are missing, then I wouldn't give him an out; I'd immediately start legal action against him for embezzlement. If legal action is taken against him the members should definitely be informed.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Lisa,

I meant to say, "if the Home Depot transaction was the ONLY error. . . ."
LisaB12 (South Carolina)
Posts: 13
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MaryA1 on 07/14/2009 12:58 PM
Lisa,

I meant to say, "if the Home Depot transaction was the ONLY error. . . ."

The Bylaws state a director can be removed by a majority vote of the Association,with or without cause, and that an officer can be removed by the BOD, with or without cause.

We asked for an explantion of the Home Depot on-line bill and he said it was a mistake. He replaced the money several days later, but we feel there was a breach of trust since he never made the BOD aware of the mistake and tried to cover it up by refusing to provide on-line banking access to the President(me). Also, it might be hard to prove embezzlement, but at the very least he should be removed for not getting approval of the BOD before disbursing funds - whch is in our Bylaws. Is this correct?

We are a small community of 50 homes, $80.00 annual dues and on a very tight budget. We are out approx. $1,000 (that we know of until we get earlier bank statements) for checks he wrote to himself for office supplies over 2 years. We have annual dues letters to 50 property owners. He never provides a budget, never provides any financial reports, etc. I even mailed our collection notices this year to help him out, yet he has written checks without any notice to the BOD in amounts between $25.00 and $200.00 for office supplies. He has no receipts except one for $42.00 at Offfice Max. He gave two credit card statements highlighting two charges at Wal-Mart and Target, but he marked through all reference numbers (possibly so we could not verify purchases). He is an accountant - not someone inexperienced.

I don't want to publicly embarrass him, but the other BOD members agree the association members should have access to the documents he provided if they want them. The BOD wants to retain an attorney to look at the documents, and put him on notice that he should contact our attorney in the future.

Also, what about giving the BOD fake attorney contact name and phone number? Nowhere in the US or CA is their an attorney by that name (verified through the SC BAR. The phone goes directly to a voice mail, and a reverse look-up of the number says the number is non-published. Why would he provide a fake attorney name if everything he had done was ethical?

I've appreciated all of the advice!
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Lisa - so the Board can remove him as Treasurer. Do that ASAP, even at an emergency meeting. Then get all records within 24 hours and start to go thru the info.

SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Think of it this way.........he is an accountant. He doesn't get paid to work on this account, that's why he doesn't bother spending any time working on the books or providing financial reports. Its a tiny $4,000 per year account.

You are actually doing him a favor by taking this off his hands.

As for the fake attorney..... you could ask him. Could be a reasonable explanation. I realize you are just trying to vent, but the only way you are going to solve some of these questions is by communicating with him.
LisaB12 (South Carolina)
Posts: 13
Posted:
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Posted By SusanW1 on 07/14/2009 3:10 PM
Lisa - so the Board can remove him as Treasurer. Do that ASAP, even at an emergency meeting. Then get all records within 24 hours and start to go thru the info.


Thanks Susan, we have just sent notification to him advising of his removal. We are meeting with an attorney next week because this is the course of action the BOD wants to follow, and also are awaiting earlier bank statements and then will look for a CPA to review our records.

I find it peculiar that some comments have been in favor of the Treasurer. Someone responded that he is an accountant and isn't paid for doing the work. I should mention that he is a homeowner here, and he volunteered to serve as Treasurer, and should fulfill at least the minimum requirements of the position. And until just recently, he was unemployed and had some spare time on his hands. He doesn't get compensated, but neither do the rest of us - and I have an MBA.

Regarding a comment about the bogus attorney info. having a reasonable explantion, with 25 years legal experience, I know enough attorneys in this state to verify the info. Also, if the SC Bar doesn't have him registered, or any other state's bar, what reasonable explanation could there be? In addition, the attorney's number provided was nonpublished, and there are absolutely no records on any SC county government website showing property or vehicle ownership. Notwithstanding the fact he hasn't returned our calls.

SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Before letting your emotions cloud your judgement and your BOD judgement, you may want to have a meeting with the BOD and have everyone sit down and review the paperwork yourself. You have a tiny 50 home association with annual dues. It shouldnt take an MBA and a few other smart people very long to figure out what is going on with the finances without going to an attorney and a CPA. You only have a annual income of $4,000, I cant imagine you have many bills and related paperwork. You said your questioning $1000 of issues -$500 Home Depot = $500 of expenses in 2 year time frame. Take a step back and get some perspective.

Stop by the bank and get print outs of the account transactions. Sit down at a table and review the paperwork.

Regarding the him not getting paid for the work.... You sound like you have a strong work ethic, but not everyone else does. C'est la vie. Ever stop by a carpenter's house? They don't put much work into their own house after working on houses all day. Like I said, your doing him a favor by replacing him.

As far as the bogus attorney goes, maybe he gave you the wrong name, maybe he gave you his nick name, maybe its a cell phone, maybe its just a friend and not lawyer at all. Doesn't really matter, don't waste your time researching it.

At the end of the day, ask yourself... How much of our $4,000 annual dues are you willing to spend on an attorney and a CPA?
EllenS1 (Florida)
Posts: 1,148
Posted:
Lisa,

If you are adhering to your documents you will be doing the right thing and there is no reason to ask for any further advice.
EllenS1 (Florida)
Posts: 1,148
Posted:
Susan,

Right on!

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