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JorgeS (Florida)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Hey guys, I have an issue that needs to be resolved by Monday (7/13).

Apparently a homeowner in the community has rented out their house & the current tennant has a van they use for business.

After the first notice of violation, the tenant has since purchased magnets to cover up his place of business...but one issue remains...the LADDER on top of the vehicle.

The HOA rules & guidelines only state "commercial vehicles may not be parked overnight in view"...should this not be pursued any further as long as the tenant uses the magnets? It seems some board members are being EXTREMELY petty over this situation.
JohnO6 (Georgia)
Posts: 424
Posted:
While others may see this as a rather black & white issue, I actually think it's potentially a little difficult. Assuming your CCRs address this topic in the language you've used (e.g. Commercial Vehicle), you could have a situation where there is a mismatch between the INTENT of your rules and the DEFINITION of your rules.

Unless the CCRs specifically define the term "Commercial Vehicle", how would that term be interpreted? An argument could be made that you would have to use the definition (whatever that may be) that is applied by the Florida Dept of Motor Vehicles. Which might, for example, include ANY vehicle owned by a commercial entity including normal passenger cars?

However, I suspect the INTENT of the restriction was to prohibit outside overnight parking of vehicles are either:

1). By the nature of their very construction are for commercial use (dump trucks, 18 wheelers, Step Vans like are used for bread delivery, etc).
2). Vehicles that could be ordinary residential passenger vehcles, but have some adornments - like signs - that identify them as being used for business.

In the case you describe it seems like a van (panel van, or windowed van?) with signs that the tenant in an attempt to abide by HOA desires is covering with blank magnetic panels at night. Seems to me that the ladder itself isn't cause for violation since any other resident could choose to put a ladder on the factory roof rack of their minivan. However, if the roof rack is one of those obviously heavy duty commercial ones designed specifically for many ladders, pipes, etc then maybe that confers "commercial vehicle" status?

I don't think I've helped you at all - I've probably just raised more questions than I've answered.

Sorry!
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
How about they use the magnetic covers and remove the ladder each night? What if they covered the ladder with a tarp each night? Are the roof racks alone enough to be considered a commercial vehicle? What about roof racks designed for luggage?

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JorgeS (Florida)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Thanks for the posts guys. the tarp overnight is a VERY good idea actually. Although it'd be a pain for the tenant, its a definite suggestion if the HOA guys still can't overlook something like a ladder.

Personally, he's covering up the signage...and that suits me just fine...it just seem SOME are too petty...a huge reason why HOA's have such a bad rap lately.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
True. You need to define what "is" a commercial vehicle.

Is it a cadilac with a avon sales rep sticker in the back window?
Is it a regular van with a company logo on the side?
Is it a 16 wheeler?

Personally, I wouldn't define a regular Chevy van with a ladder on top a commercial vehicle unless your ready to ban all vans.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Jorge,
I certainly don't see any urgency to solve this .

Why are you dealing with the tenant? Shouldn't you be dealing with the owner?
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Jorge,

I suggest you be careful about allowing a tarp to cover the commercial vehicle. If "stored" vehicles are also prohibited, placing a tarp over a vehicle could be construed as storing and could cause complaints from other neighbors. I know the ladders are a big no-no in my assn as that definitely draws attention to the fact that it is a commercial vehicle. Incidentally my CCRs specifically say no vehicle "designed for commercial purposes" may be parked w/i view of any neighboring property. In AZ the majority of the homes have a wall around so the vehicle could be parked behind the wall. IMO, the board should look at the possibility of some sort of screening for the commercial vehicle.

Like Robert, I am wondering why this is not being discussed with the property owner. Any violation committed by a guest or tenant is really the resp. of the property owner. The tenant is not a member of the HOA.
JimP8 (Missouri)
Posts: 5
Posted:
I am new to this blog, so please bear with me.
What is the general determination of a commercial vehicle. Our trust indentures say only that, commercial vehicle. Does any vehicle that is painted with advertisement for a company constitute commercial or is it limited to GW tonage?
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
The good news, Jim, is that most likely your board gets to define what they feel is a "commercial" vehicle."

We had a similar problem with the roof-rack ladders.

The homeowner had the option of removing the racks (not just the ladders) each night, or modify the door height in his garage.

For $1,200 he modified his garage door. Now he parks it inside every night.

Van, with signage (which also violates the "signs" clause of our CC&Rs in and of itself), and external equipment/ladder racks is one version of a commercial vehicle for our purposes.

MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Oh, any signage at all.

Tonnage is not the issue. The commercial nature of the vehicle, which includes advertising signage, allows falls under our "definition" of commercial vehicle.

RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
JimP8
(Missouri
Hey Jim, tell us what trust indentures are and why did you refer to them that way. I assume you are talking about your governing documents, usually referred to as the CC&r's.

Also you might find it helpful if you describe your association by size, HOA or condo or whatever.
JimP8 (Missouri)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Here in Missouri the CC&R's are titled Indentures of Trust and go with the land not any resident/condo owner. Same thing just different name. We are an HOA with 406 homes. We also have a management co. that we contract with to do most of the behind the scenes work for us. Most HOA's in this area are around the same size, organized by subdivision/builder.
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Posts: 2
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ThomasS11 (Washington)
Posts: 2
Posted:
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