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EllieD (Vermont)
Posts: 446
Posted:
Vermont recently enacted laws re: allowing outdoor clotheslines. The Vermont Statutes are worded similarly to those of Florida. Earlier discussions on this topic do not answer my specific concerns. The Vermont Statutes reads in part:
§ 2291a. RENEWABLE ENERGY DEVICES
Notwithstanding any provision of law to the contrary, no municipality, by ordinance, resolution, or other enactment, shall prohibit ... . This section shall not apply to patio railings in condominiums, cooperatives, or apartments ...
§ 544. ENERGY DEVICES BASED ON RENEWABLE RESOURCES
(a) No deed restrictions, covenants, or similar binding agreements running with the land shall prohibit or have the effect of prohibiting ... , clotheslines, or other ... from being installed on buildings erected on the lots or parcels covered by the deed restrictions, covenants, or binding agreements. A property owner may not be denied permission ... .

Background:
1. Condominium Association, 64 units, sixteen separate buildings, four units per building, modest size (units average about 1,000 sq ft), a mixture of garden style apartments (two lower, two upper per building), and townhouse style units.
2. Rural setting, clustered buildings, with lawn areas, some flat, some hilly, large and medium size trees around and between buildings, typical shrubbery and flowers. Because the buildings are clustered, building front and back yards are quite small.
3. All ground and lawn areas are designated "Common" (none are Limited Common). Townhouses have small Limited Common open front porches with low railings, Apartment Units have small Limited Common open decks/balconies with railing. Exterior of all buildings are Common, owned by the Association.

Advice please:
1. Our current rule reads: Outside clotheslines or other clothes drying or airing facilities are not permitted. No clothes or other materials can be hung or shaken from windows, placed on window sills or on an outside clothes line, draped from a balcony, railing, or fence, or otherwise left or placed in such a way as to be exposed to public view.
2. Assume the second sentence is still OK, once "or an outside clothes line" has been deleted, since the Statute states that it does not apply to condominium railings.
3. Since we now must allow outside clotheslines, assume we can specify type, size of clothes drying device, specify the hours and days of the week that clothes drying devices can be in use, and can specify that they be removed and stored, when not in use, etc.
4. But here is where I need advice. I am on the BOD. Can we restrict where on the Common Area lawn, drying devices can be placed, and prohibit anyplace else? Possible areas might be several flat areas, in a sort of a corner location, away from any of the condo buildings. For most, it would be a short walk, but those locations would be available to all Unit Owners, Residents.
5 What about the "Limited Common" front porches and decks? Do we have to allow them to be used? If yes, assume we can specify hours, days of week, type, height of drying racks to keep them below the railings, etc.
6 The BOD has the authority to make and revise Rules. (We already have someone "testing the law" by putting up an umbrella type clothesline device in a small open area behind one of our buildings. Neighbors are objecting, and the clothesline device is "in the way" when in use.
7 What Rule(s) can we write (as restrictive as possible) that would comply with the newly enacted Vermont statutes (similar to Florida's)? I have searched for Florida court cases that might clarify, but I have not been able to find any. Thanks in advance.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
No "need" to re-write it. You can just leave it as is and homeowners can ignore it because state law triumphs over HOA ccr's. Its ok to have things like this in your CCR's you just cant enforce them if someone like the state or feds has a law with a higher authority.
TracieS (Colorado)
Posts: 460
Posted:
I agree. Local/State/Federal law/code/statute wins over HOA founding documents, no matter what your documents say.

I think the relevant part of your statute comes after the ... "A property owner may not be denied permission ... ."

May not be denied permission to what? Erect an energy saving device whereever they choose?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like you'd LIKE to rewrite (amend/vote/whatever) your CC&R to LIMIT the locations/types of energy saving device. Is that correct?

In that case, I guess I would recommend an attorney. I wouldn't go looking for an attorney unless you think enough owners would vote to amend, though. Otherwise, could just be a waste of money.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Steve,

Yes your advise is probably correct but why would you want to keep any wording in the CC&Rs that is against the State laws. It just makes things way too confusing for the average H.O who is not document savy such as we all are. A simple delete with the attorney using proper legal language and all is taken care of.
TracieS (Colorado)
Posts: 460
Posted:
I concur, BUT...some associations don't have the money to update founding documents everytime the local/state/fed pass laws impacting HOA operations.

I'm one of them. Not ideal...but sometimes it is what it is.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Donna,

The only problem is that amending the CCRs is not a simple process. Normally it takes an extra high % of the members, perhaps 75% and upwards to 100%. That is why many people feel it isn't necessary to amend the CCRs each time a new state law -- or federal law -- is passed regarding HOAs.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Mary,
Alot would depend what Vermont State laws say about compliance with their HOA laws. I know of a few cases where the CC&Rs were changed without a members vote because of a conflict with the State. This can be done with a rewording by an attorney. Normally tho, a State will use the famous--"notwithstanding" what the governing documents say.
EllieD (Vermont)
Posts: 446
Posted:
Sorry - I did not make clear that the Rule that needs revising is an Administrative Rule. As a Condominium, we have a Declaration and Bylaws, plus a separate "Administrative Rules and Regulations" Document. Our current "no outdoor clothesline rule" is an "Administrative Rule" which can be revised by the BOD, with no vote by owners required.

The question is - how to re-write that rule, but still be in compliance. We do not want an "unenforceable" rule, or one that "won't stand up". For reference here is the complete section from the Vermont Statute that is causing the problem:

§ 544. ENERGY DEVICES BASED ON RENEWABLE RESOURCES
(a) No deed restrictions, covenants, or similar binding agreements running with the land shall prohibit or have the effect of prohibiting solar collectors, CLOTHESLINES, or other energy devices based on renewable resources from being installed on buildings erected on the lots or parcels covered by the deed restrictions, covenants, or binding agreements. A property owner may not be denied permission to install solar collectors or other energy devices based on renewable resources by any entity granted the power or right in any deed restriction, covenant, or similar binding agreement to approve, forbid, control, or direct alteration of property with respect to residential dwellings. For purposes of this subsection, that entity may determine the specific location where solar collectors may be installed on the roof within an orientation to the south or within 45° east or west of due south, provided that this determination does not impair the effective operation of the solar collectors.

What is unique, different, about the Vermont Statute, and also Florida's, is that the word "CLOTHESLINES' (Capitalization added), has been included as, or defined as, an energy device based on renewable resources.

Our Declaration and Rules seems to have a number of "words" that might be invoked in a revised rule, such as "there shall be no obstruction of common areas", "no nuisance on the property", "regulations designed to promote the harmonious use of Limited Common areas with due regard to appearance, safety" etc., the "BOD may make regulations in order to prevent unreasonable interference with the use of respective units and common areas", etc. etc.

Can we, and still be in compliance, work some of hose "words" into a "Rule", so as to limit where on the property a clothesline might be allowed? (That is why I included a general description of our common property, and buildings, vs. if we were a high rise in a large city, or a HOA).

There are probably no more than one or two owners/residents interested in drying clothes outside. The majority, who do not want to "see" clotheslines on Common property, outside their window, should have the right of "Quiet Enjoyment".

Since Florida, and possibly one or two other states, and now Vermont includes the word "clothesline" in the Statute, and because these statutes are all relatively new, I can find very little information as to how other Condominiums might have adapted their rules. (I am also aware that there is more to challenge - i.e. legality of contracts - but I leave that to the attorneys, although an answer might lie therein).
EllenS1 (Florida)
Posts: 1,148
Posted:
Steve,

I agree with you. Covenants should not be changed every time there is a new law. The hassle of getting members to vote, hiring an attorney, etc. are not worth it. If pushed just rely on state law.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Ellie,

I did a search of VT statutes and it appears that 544 is not even an HOA statute. At this point it doesn't even show up as a staute; but if the bill is passed it would come under Title 27, Chapter 5 - Conveyance of Real Estate, subchapter 6 - Miscellaneous. The Concominum Ownership Act is also under Title 27 but it's in Chapter 15, section 1301 et al. I couldn't find a statute for planned communities (single family homes).

If you have different info that states this new law would apply to HOA, please share. But, from what I can tell, you can keep your "no clotheslines" admin rule.
EllieD (Vermont)
Posts: 446
Posted:
MaryA1,

Precisely! This is what needs to be sorted out - probably in the courts.

Vermont Title 27, Chapter 15 Condominium Ownership Act, is the Statute under which Condominiums were declared starting sometime in the 1980's. Then around 1999, Vermont Title 27A: Uniform Common Interest Ownership Act (1994), patterned after the 1994 UCIOA, was enacted, and which supplements, or builds on, the earlier ACT. (FYI - Title 27A also applies to HOAs.)

Now comes along the revisions to the "Energy Statute". Here is the link:

http://www.leg.state.vt.us/docs/2010/bills/Passed/H-446.pdf

For "Clotheslines" see pages 47 and 48.

Note the words: (a) No deed restrictions, covenants, or similar binding agreements running with the land shall prohibit or have the effect of prohibiting solar collectors, clotheslines, or other energy devices ... .

So for the time being we have to live with words in one statute, which says that words, in accordance with Title 27, Chap15 and/or Title 27A are no longer valid in respect to "No clotheslines allowed".

As a "general rule" something like this might work for us, based on wording I found in a Florida Condominium Document: No clothesline or clothes pole shall be erected, and no outside clothes drying is permitted, except where such activity is mandated by governmental authorities for energy conservation purposes. In that event the Association shall have the right to approve the portions of any Parcel used for outdoor clothes-drying purposes and the types of devices to be employed in this regard. The approval by the Association shall be in writing. Nothing contained in this paragraph shall be construed to limit the reasonable use of energy devices based on renewable resources as provided in Vermont Statute _______.

What I am "fishing for" is some specifics such as: size and location of an approved parcel, how is use of the parcel defined, use limited to how many hours per day, to how many days of the week, use prohibited on holidays, size and type of clothes drying device allowed, if space for only one drying apparatus at a time, is it on a "first come" basis, is it OK for the defined parcel to be distant, short walking distance from units, etc.

In other words, what is the minimum accommodation for outdoor drying that has to be provided in order to be reasonable? And do we have to allow drying racks on Limited Common deck and front porch areas, which are maintained by the Association, not by the Unit Owner?

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