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PatriciaA2 (South Carolina)
Posts: 3
Posted:
I am a 4 year resident of Norwood Ridge Community in Rock Hill, SC. It is a relativity new community, with about 50 homes that got hit hard by the economy. In other words, construction stopped. There has been a home for sale close to 3 years now next door to me that just recently sold.

The unfortunate thing is that the new owners were not given at close the rules and regulations as far as outdoor fencing was and is concerned. I am sure they have invested $7,000 or better in a 6 foot privacy fence. That is against our covenants in the neighborhood. We are restricted to 4 feet and picket or iron, no slats!

They have received several notices from Cedar Management notifying them of the violation and that they would be fined $100.00 a day, as long as the fence remained. This has not rattled them a bit. The new owners clearly feel they are in the right.

We bought into this community, because there were rules to be followed. I unfortunately live in the middle of the 6 foot privacy fence and my neighbor on the other side, has a 4 foot picket fence. It is impossible to have any kind of tie in with two different size fences and styles on each side of me. Many neighbors are upset, but I am probably the most. Look what this is doing to my propert value.

We were just notified that the builder can over rule the HOA! And that the fence stays! Any advise on this issue would truly be appreciated.

RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Patricia,
Your post suggests that the builder is the developer and their Board is in charge of the HOA. Perhaps the Declaration of CC&Rs allows the Board the right to issue variances and one was issued for the 6"fence.

You could contact the Board and ask if a variance was issued. If not, request they enforce the restriction on fencing. If they will not you may have the right to enforce the restriction if you want to initiate legal action.

So first read your Declaration of CC&Rs and then get the facts from the builder (ie,Board)(ie,Architectural Committee).
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Patricia,

Have your neighbors told you why they think they are in the right? If they were not given the rules and regs (and CCRs) perhaps they were not aware of the restriction regarding fences. What involvement does the builder have in all of this?
JudyM5 (Ohio)
Posts: 36
Posted:
Patricia - Are you in an area that is subject to local zoning restrictions? Does a homeowner have to get a building permit before they build or install anything on their property? If so, you might have a couple of options available to you other than the fact that the builder made a special exception to the CC&R's in order to entice these people to buy a house. If your community does have zoning ordinances, call the Zoning Board and find out about the required setbacks for fences. Maybe your neighbors have failed to adhere to the setbacks required by local zoning ordinances. If so, they will have to "adjust" the fence or remove the fence or attempt to get a variance from the Zoning Board. If they have to apply for a variance, there will be a public hearing before the Zoning Board's Variance Board. Neighbors can express their opinions at these hearings. This is the place where you need to point out that the community's documents prohibit the type of fence that was installed and that the neighbors are in violation of the community's governing documents. It also wouldn't hurt to ask the Zoning Board if there are any restrictions regarding what type of fences can be erected. You might get lucky there. The next thing to determine is whether your city or county requires a building permit for the erection of a fence on a single-family lot. If a building permit is required and one was not obtained, your neighbors will have to try to get a building permit after the fact and then try to get their fence approved by a building inspector. While neither of these suggestions may cause the privacy fence to disappear, they will cause your neighbor considerable time and a moderate amount of money to handle.
PatriciaA2 (South Carolina)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Mary,

When I first spoke to my neighbor about the fence, it was after the first day of construction, the fence was not even halfway complete. She had personally received a hand delivered notice that eveing before to cease and stop all construction of the structure or she would be fined $100.00 a day, every day it remained.

She was very concerned about not being accepted and not being like in a new neighborhood because of this fence. She said her realtor went through all the paper work and there was absolutely no documentation in the covenants they received about the restrictions on fences. Further more, the young lady who sold them the house, Terri, had told her while she was trying to sale the home, that the fence was fine and she was the Board who would approve it. Abvioulsy, all lies.

My neighbor said to me that the fence was not a deal breaker as far as them buying the home, they have 2 dogs and just wanted a fence and a 4 foot would have been fine if they knew the rules. She told me of the notice to cease and stop and the $100.00 per day fine.

She did not believe that they should encore the cost of the fence completely themself, because of not being informed.

Construction stopped for alomost 2 weeks and we thought the fence would be coming down. Then, just the other day, the fence Company was out here and it was completed. Another neighbor had spoked to the fence owner and stated she had said, they had so much money invested in it, they were completing it! And they did. I have not seen or spoken to her since.

PatriciaA2 (South Carolina)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Roger Thanks,

We did receive a copy of the Rules from our HOA, Cedar Management, and we have called them quite a few times alredy. There was no exception on this fence. When I called, Cedar Management, the fence was not yet even approved. That was when construction stopped. And they received the hand delivered nasty gram on stopping construction and the $100 fine every day it is up.

Now, what we are hearing is that the builder had told these folk the fence was fine. I believe Cedar Management is doing ther best to enforce, but it is obvious the neighbor does nor care..the fence is now completed.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Let's bet that this homeowner has consulted a lawyer, yet still feel confident that they have the right to build this fence.

You need to track down the "authority" that granted them the right to build this fence, pause, then continue to completion. If the builder or the realtor gave false information in contradiction to governing documents, the HOA may have a case.

MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Patricia,

The nature of real covenants (restrictive covenants, covenants that run with the land, equitable servitudes) is that "It does not matter whether you understand the nature of the organization or that you have read the documents recorded against the property. You will be responsible for knowing what the covenants contain." (From condolawyers.com)

If the builder was not in control of the assn at the time the home was sold then he had no authority to grant authority to build the fence. However, if he was still in control, then he should be contacted to verify that he did indeed grant the building of a 6' fence. Coupled with this info the h/o's fence should be grandfathered.

There seems to be a lot of hearsay going on. It's best to let the mgmt co and the BOD handle the situation -- only they know the whole story. Hopefully when it's all over they will let the members in on the real story.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Patrica,
For the life of me I can't understand why this whole thing seems to be going around, over and under the Board. As an Owner Patricia, you should deal with this through the Board. It is a enforcement issue, and your Board is charged with enforcement. Why not a visit to a Board meeting and iron this out, or a letter to the Board demanding an explanation of their indifference to the situation, if that is what they are doing? I can not see at this point, it is up to you to enforce the covenants or interpret them at this point, let the Board do it.
If they don't respond you got more problems than an illegal fence.

Maybe I missed a post or something.

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