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CathyM3 (Florida)
Posts: 4
Posted:
We have a member of our community that retained a lawyer over parking issues. He had a couple of pick ups, which are not allowed in the comminuty. He was given a hearing, and was advised to not park the trucks on the property or he would be fined. He stopped bringing in pick up trucks, but then brought on another banned vehicle-a van. The board knew about the van at the truck hearing, and he was told no trucks and he said the van would not be parked on property.

He was then fined for the van, and took legal action against the community, fighting the community rules. Now, he doesn't want to pay for the lawyers fees that the association got as part of the suit. From what I know, there were calls between the attorneys and there were research costs. Is the unit owner responsible for the fees the association had or is it just a cost of doing business. As a unit owner, it doens't make me happy to think there is no way to get that money back!
JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 967
Posted:
Cathy,

Do your docs address this issue? Ours do, and make the offender responsible for amounts owed, plus any fines, interest and costs of collection.

It appears a lawsuit was filed. Did you settle or was it adjudicated by a judge? In either case, were fees/costs included?
CathyM3 (Florida)
Posts: 4
Posted:
I will have to look through my documents and see.

There wasn't a lawsuit. He hired a lawyer, and the lawyers went back and forth. I guess he was trying to protect himself from being wronged. Nothing ever went to court.
TracieS (Colorado)
Posts: 460
Posted:
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Posted By CathyM3 on 06/17/2009 7:46 AM
Now, he doesn't want to pay for the lawyers fees that the association got as part of the suit.

So, did a judge award you attorney fees as the "winner" of the lawsuit? If the fees were awarded to you as part of a legal judgement, then I don't see how he has any choice but to pay. Wage garnishments? Bench warrants? I don't know, but if you were awarded a judgement, then he has a legal obligation to pay, right?

I don't like paying my taxes, but I have a legal obligation (with punishments if I don't pay).
JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 967
Posted:
Okay, then what was the amount of the settlement, and on what terms?
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Cathy,

OK, so this was settled out of court. If there is nothing in your gov docs addressing who pays attorney fees, then the member is on his own dime. Frankly, IMO, this should have been addressed in the settlement.

Can you tell us what the exact issue was and what settlement was reached?
CathyM3 (Florida)
Posts: 4
Posted:
No there, was no court case or judgement. He had his attorney communicate with the board and send letters, and the board used the board attorney to communicate to his attorney by sending letters. there was no filing or case. his attorney called the board attorney to ask for advice and to talk about his client. really kind of strange to not just talk about it among each other, but i guess he decided an attorney was the best route.
TracieS (Colorado)
Posts: 460
Posted:
If there was no suit and no settlement, how is the association entitled to any refund/pay-back of legal fees? Did the owner agree to pay the association's legal fees?

Do you have an item in your budget for "legal"? My GUESS without further information...this is a cost of doing business. If the only thing your attorney did was have a short telephone conversation with the owner's attorney, the legal fees shouldn't be too much.
CathyM3 (Florida)
Posts: 4
Posted:
the issue with everything went on for over a year, and the legal fees were a few thousand from what i have been told. there were multiple calls, letters and research that the attorney did. i wish it was just a few hundred, but it is not
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Cathy - learn from this mess!

WHY was your attorney allowed to "talk" to another attorney about this case for over a year? He should have told the guy and his attorney - at the direction of the board - to either file his "case" and expect the consequences, or get off the pot.

In the future, your board needs to talk to your attorney about the "winability" of cases BEFORE he starts talking to the other side. If it is as cut and dried as this one appears to be, then doing nothing on your part is the best policy, since this guy would have lost and would have had to pay court/attorney costs.

Now you are stuck with the "talking" charges from your own lawyer -

Guess who "won" in this case? - the LAWYERS!! Both of them.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Banned pick up trucks? vans? LOL, I've never heard of that before.

At some point an HOA is going to ban ugly people and issue fines accordingly.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
I had a good laugh at Susan's remark: "Guess who "won" in this case? - the LAWYERS!! Both of them." This is usually the case with all litigation. Generally speaking, the main concern of all attorneys' is how much $$$ they can make on the deal!!
JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 967
Posted:
Mary writes:

>>>This is usually the case with all litigation. Generally speaking, the main concern of all attorneys' is how much $$$ they can make on the deal!!<<<

I'll disagree with that. Setting aside well-heeled Ps and Ds who engage in protracted pissing matches to prove who's got a bigger package, economics and logistics dictate settlement is usually more beneficial to both the parties' legal representatives. Also, great litgators often take on pro bono assignments just because it's the right thing to do. Here in Philadelphia recently, a top-notch guy from a top-notch firm (Cozen O'Connor) wrapped up a suit involving a woman with AIDS and cancer who'd "sold" her life insurance policy to an investment outfit in return for having her health premiums paid. Outfit was betting she'd be dead in two years. But a decade later, she wasn't, so Outfit tried to wiggle out of the deal. Top-notch Guy prevailed, after doing 500+ hours of work for free.

But getting back to Cathy, I haven't much of a clue about the facts and status of her issues, though remain curious.

MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
OK, John, perhaps I shouldn't have said "all" attorneys. But I know quite a few HOA attorneys who've bilked thousands from unassuming HOA boards and members. I know there are a lot of well-meaning attorneys who will work pro-bono. But, isn't that sometimes a requirement of the bar assn or the courts -- someone???
JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 967
Posted:
Mary,

I know of no official requirement for attorneys to work pro bono. Many medium-large firms "encourage" the practice for various reasons - Good PR, pet projects of management, it's a good thing, they can afford it (as in, it's built into their fee schedules), etc., which in turn gets the message to partners and associates to pitch in. And others do it just because they want to contribute to society.

On the flip side, I agree with you that some litigators will milk their clients (be they private citizens or corps) for every cent they can, though that practice will hurt the milkers in the long run, esp. as to repeat business, which is what pays the nut each month in most instances.

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