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GraceH (Virginia)
Posts: 224
Posted:
My PM just sent me an email explaining that the Board wants a copy of my petition with the names of the people that signed. One petition is to seek removal of the Condo Board Pres. and the other petition is to seek removal of the PM.

Homeowners are in fear of repercussion from the PM

Does a Homeowner have an obligation to give a copy of a petition with other Homeowners signatures on before the time to turn the petition in to the Board?
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
nope.

as a compromise, you could give them a copy of the petition wording itself (without signatures), but i would not release the entire petition until the deadline, and i have plenty of copies made in case the original gets "lost" by the board.
GraceH (Virginia)
Posts: 224
Posted:
Brian,
Thank you so much.
I did not think I would need to give them the signatures as of yet. This is just another way our PM is trying to intimidate Homeowners.
GraceH (Virginia)
Posts: 224
Posted:
I should have added, I am more than happy to give them a copy without the signatures, as we have nothing to hide.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
I was going to suggest the same as Brian.

MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Grace,

I agree with Brian.

Did you state on the petition the reason for the recall? How is it going? Are you getting the required number of signatures?
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Viginia,

What does the petition do? Is it a petition for a special meeting to hold a vote to recall the board? Or does the petition itself do the job of the recall?

Just curious as to how it all relates to the board.

GraceH (Virginia)
Posts: 224
Posted:
Michele,
It is the thought that counts.

Mary,
Yes, I did state in the petition the reasons for seeking removal. It is going very slowly as I volunteer a lot so it cuts back on the time that I can go around, however, I have come to the realization that it may take a few months as we have a lot of absentee owners.

Susan,
At this point, it is a petition for the Board Pres. to be removed from the Condo Board and to show the Board that the Homeowners want to get rid of the PM. I did not put in to call a special meeting because the more I read, the more I realized that if we went through all of the trouble to get that petition signed, all the Board has to say is that they can not make that date and we would have to start from square one. We will give the Board Pres. the opportunity to step down rather than being removed as it is only a matter of time to get all the signatures required.

All,
I did contact the Secretaries from both boards inquiring as to the "boards request" of the copies of the signed petition, neither one know anything about it. Back to the fact that the PM does as she pleases. But it just reinforces what we have been saying all alone. (There has been no accountability)
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Hi Grace,
I can't offer any real justification for missing this thread, and after going back to your other threads and reading some of them I can't explain any of that either. I did have a computer glitch and that took sever val days at shop but I'm sorry if somehow, I have been out of the loop. But maybe it is a good thing, because it seems clear that your previous threads about this issue were posted under different headings. This breaks the continuity and I had to go back and search your name to find out what you were referring to. I found a lot of stuff I never remembered seeing and I thank you for your compliments.

But to get back on track here, we really need some place we can go to to connect this all on one thread. Maybe the simplest thing would be to write a short synopsis and get the background of these "recalls" you are doing, especially, if you had some specific directions in your documents.

Your reference to getting rid of the Board President is a little confusing in that I don't know why you would elect to replace the President. The President was elected by the Board, the member that serves as the president was elected and recallable by the members.
Your desire to replace the PM is understandable if you or any owner feels threatened by them, however, the Board hired the PM and will have to fire the PM. You could force a Special meeting to discuss the performance of the President and the PM with the members, in accordance with your documents.

Some of this is coming back to me, and when I look at your History on the search feature I see you have posted this subject under several different headings. I am not like Mary and Michele, and others that can tap dance around different posts, I need a little more direct all connected single headings.

To answer your last post, I don't see where you all have to respond to the PM or the President at all about your petition until you have to. Just go along getting your signatures, if you are having support meetings, just keep doing it. Try to show as many faces as you can at the meetings and hold your discussion in an open forum.
At Town Meetings, you can tackle anything you want and politely refuse to answer any questions you don't want to answer. Notice our new President and the hay he makes from his old fashioned town hall meetings. Of course, he has to put up at some point and so will you all, but until you are ready, let them suck wind. You wouldn't be doing this if they would have sat down at the table and discussed this matter to begin with and compromised. I think that was how it went. In any event, a slow even pressure is what you want to do and from the looks of things, you have their attention, be cool, be equal, and be fair.
GraceH (Virginia)
Posts: 224
Posted:
Ohhh Robert,

Thank you so much for responding. Your responses to my threads have been missed!

You are correct once again, It is the Board member that just happens to be the Board Pres. That we are seeking removal for.

In part, the desire for seeking removal of the Pres. is driven by knowing that (He knowingly or unknowingly)
-ignores our By-Laws (Annual Audits, Board duties, Hearings not being given, date for late fees changed)
- justifies having no reserves by financial debts that do not belong to the Condo (ex. Paving and pool repairs- HOA pays for the common elements)
-approves pay increases for maintenance and the office staff at a time when we are barely keeping afloat.
- belittles other Board members and homeowners if they ask too many questions.
-He has watched our community drastically deteriorate over the past years

While I do understand that he can not make the decision on his own, 2 of the Board members are there to socialize and just go along with him, 1 newer board member speaks up at times, one is truly looking out for the homeowner and we still have 2 seats that were vacant. Mind you that the 2 that were appointed during the Executive session last month are still unknown to the homeowners as they were not present at the meeting where they would have been appointed so their names have yet to be announced.

Although I would prefer that he resign on his own,(I truly believe that he has placed an enormous amount of trust in the PM and will be heart broken when all is said and done.) I am prepared for the long haul. With many thanks to all of you.

I truly believe that if it was not for this site and all of you wonderful people that are so willing to help, I would have given up or ended up behind bars a long time ago.

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