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JenC1 (Virginia)
Posts: 18
Posted:
I am a newly elected BOT member. Another member had brought up the issue of saving money by emailing our monthly newsletter to residents via an email link. Our paid in-house staff (we are self-governing) has stated that years ago our attorney told us that this was illegal, that we had to provide a hard copy of the newsletter to each resident. We are just trying to save money and still provide the same information to our residents. Do any of your associations provide a newsletter online? I cannot find on the internet where is it deemed illegal to not provide a hard copy of it, not that it isn't true.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Jen,

You can do a newsletter the same way that our Master Gardeners get ours out to 220 members. Get all of the e. addresses that are available and print out the few who do not have internet or emails and send those few by snail mail or hand delivery.
JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 967
Posted:
I agree with Donna. Email works fine for our Updates.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
If you are providing information in the newsletter that is more than just FYI information, in other words, updates on Rules, Regulations, Fines, meeting date announcements, then you would be out of line to only use an email format for the newsletter unless you have confirmation from each resident (preferably in writing) that email communication is okay.

SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Send everyone a hard copy (printed) and in the newsletter, let anyone know that if they'd like email instead, they can put it in writing to you.

RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
To all,
Correct me if I am off base. It seems to me in the last exchange about this subject, we more or less had consensus that e-mail was fine if owners willingly gave addresses and understood e-mail would be used for communication. This excluded any voting by e-mail, whether owners or voting by board. Teleconference meetings are acceptable if all members can participate and the meetings are open. Board members can not use e-mail to reach consensus or hold secret meetings.

Now we all know this e-mail business is here to stay, you are not going to regulate every aspect of it, it could also be used to prove inappropriate conduct and it is a hard file. Just like correspondence written. If there are exception make the exceptions but don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
EllenS1 (Florida)
Posts: 1,148
Posted:
Jen,

Do your docs state that a newsletter must be provided? Our don't so the newsletter is above and beyond anything required. If your docs don't call for a newsletter you can provide it anyway you want.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Illegal? No.

But be careful what you put in it. If something is really important, its best to use us mail to notify residents.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Steve,
Just curious, what would you put in a Newsletter and send it by US Mail, and you would not put in a Newsletter and send it by e-mail.

Granted, it might be proper to attach: this e-mail is for the information of the addressee only or some such. But, shouldn't the same statement be attached to a Newsletter?

I also can see that official notification of some legal matters should be sent by certified mail. But, you know, if the person the letter is addressed to don't want to sign for it, they don't have to. But the attempt to delivery and proof of this fact serves the purpose of notification, I believe.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Ellen,
I would also add to Ellen's post that Newletters are by definition, "news", and not a legal notice of anything.

You can use a Newsletter to inform owners of, say, a proposal to amend the documents and you can explain cause and effect of this action, but you can't vote on the amendment via e-mail or Newsletter.

I agree, anything classified as news is fodder for a newsletter, even dark bread sandwiches, with creamed cold spinach, bananas, and grape jelly.
EvaM1 (Florida)
Posts: 190
Posted:
Our paid in-house staff (we are self-governing) has stated that years ago our attorney told us that this was illegal, that we had to provide a hard copy of the newsletter to each resident. We are just trying to save money JenC1
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Jenn,

Who is the paid in-house staff who said years ago an attorney told you it was illegal? Did the attorney actually say why it was illegal by any chance? Do you have anything in writing from him? And, why would you worry about it now? Who publishes the newsletter? Sounds like one of those Beltway rumors to me.
ThomasD2 (California)
Posts: 208
Posted:
I posted a very similar subject and you may want to read the discussion. I believe the best way to find this is to use the search function; the subject is : email vs. mail. Or it looks like you also do a search with my name "thomasD2" using the "posted by" instead of the menu item "posts."

What I took away from the discussion was that, even though our CCR's indicate that notification must be mailed, everyone agrees that email is acceptable -- but only if you give people an option. Like many CCR's ours were written before the age of email. My discussion also had to do with my irritation over someone having "cc'd" a discussion to the entire board that I felt was private. Everyone seemed to agree that in general you should treat an email as if it may end up on a billboard.
Tom
JenC1 (Virginia)
Posts: 18
Posted:
Ellen, no, nothing written in our docs states we must provide our residents a newsletter. Ours is monthly to over 2,000 units.

Eva, the paid inside staff who provided us this information has been with our community for 24 years. Not that this is credence to anything. The attorney has not provided us anything in writing. It has just been accepted by the Board forever, and has recently been questioned (again) by some Board members as to its validity. I suspect that the attorney has stated this for the reasons that some have mentioned, mostly that if we need to notify residents of a change in our governing docs. But I would assume we would provide written notice of this anyway to make sure all residents are aware.

I appreciate all responses and will use this information at the next BOT meeting.
EvaM1 (Florida)
Posts: 190
Posted:
..suspect that the attorney has stated this for the reasons that some have mentioned, mostly that if we need to notify residents of a change in our governing docs… Jenn
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Jenn,

Aha.. in this scenario I would tend to agree with the attorney .. you cannot ‘notify’ residents of a change in governing documents in a newsletter. That, may not fly. If you are amending the governing documents it probably must be included in the Notice of the Annual Meeting or Special Meeting. If you just want to discuss an upcoming proposed change and ask for owners feedback yes, then it ought to be ok.

Nevertheless, if you e-mail ‘Annual Meeting Notice’ with the amendment change on the agenda, that should be perfectly legal. But still, you need to send out ballots and all that stuff...
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Eva,
Of course you can notify members of amendments to your documents by Newsletter and I suggest you do. However, you must follow your documents as to how to effect these changes, that is different than notification. Most documents I am familiar with require a notice to each owner that a special meeting will be held to amend documents. However you doc's require. But this is to validate the change in the documents, make an official notice of meeting, take a vote and pass or reject the amendment. None I have seen requires each owner
has to acknowledge in writing they received the notice by mail. Why confuse the issue. Probably several months before the meeting to amend the proposal was made and at some Board meeting and the action was put in motion. In the interim this is a great time to allow discussion through a newsletter. Business does this all the time, so does governments. My documents require a SPECIAL MEETING be held. We can not do this at an annual meeting so we have the special meeting first, do business, adjourn that meeting and open the annual meeting.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
By the member REQUESTING newsletter communication by email, blackberry, etc. etc. - all liability is off the association,

Just get it in writing.

MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Frankly, I don't know what all the hoopla is about what can and cannot be put into a newsletter. Where is this even addressed in anyone's gov docs? Why can't the members be notified of a change in the rules in the newsletter? It sure sounds like "news" to me. If any member has given the BOD their email address that, to me, means you can send them email and they will read it. In fact, they might welcome getting the newsletter that way and I'll bet they will be more apt to read it. You might be surprised to know how may members get the newsletter and drop it in the circular file unread!! My CCRs do not state a member must be mailed a copy of the rules, only that they must be maintained in the office of the assn (which we do NOT have) and available to each owner upon request. My CCRs do not even state that an amendment to the CCRs must be mailed to each member, only that it be recorded in the office of the Co recorder. Ditto for the bylaws, except that they do not have to be recorded. Check your CCRs and bylaws. The BOD's only resp. (and soemtimes it's not even their resp!) is to transmit info, not to ensure that info is read!!

In answer to the OP's question; I think the only concern is that each member receive a copy of the newsletter. For those members who have not given the BOD their email addresses, a hard copy must be mailed. Also, I think it would be prudent to let the membership know that in the future the newsletter will be emailed to those members who have given their email address to the BOD.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Mary,
You could also put in the Newsletter a disclaimer: This Newsletter may be a bunch of crap, we try hard but sometimes we make a mistake, just like a newspaper. I caution all you folks who do not read this, your assessments will be double, whereas; all you who do read it and write glowing reports and praise for the editor will be allowed to two free beers at the next open bar "to do" sponsored by the exaulted members of your Board, which ain't gonna happen.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Mary, I think the issue came up as to what's in the newsletter in an attempt to answer the OP's question.

If the newsletter is simply "newsy" stuff, and not certain types of information that the residents are required to receive, like meeting notices, rules/amendment/CC&R changes, that sort of thing, then it doesn't really matter how it's "distributed."

But if it does contain information that each resident is required to be "noticed" on, UNLESS EACH RESIDENT HAS AGREED TO THE EMAIL FORM OF COMMUNICATION, then they should mail the information, whether in newsletter format or not.

We have over 300 units. We have only 10% of that amount who "agree" to receive email communications from us.

Therefore, when we send out notices that include information like, for example the new "fine schedule" that is going in the newsletter we are mailing this week, we cannot send it email and consider everyone "noticed."

MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Oh, and we can't simply post it on our website and consider the residents "noticed" either.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Michele,

I agree with you! The point I was trying to get across is that there's nothing wrong with emailing the newsletter to members who've given their email address to the board, but of course it must be mailed to everyone else, but first the board should publish in the newsletter the fact that future editions will be emailed to those who have an email address.

There was also a lot of discussion about what info could be publihsed in the newsletter. My advice is to check your gov docs on this. I feel 100% certain it is not addressed. IMO, the board can publish whatever info they so choose in the newsletter. My assn publishes the meeting schedule for board and Architectural Comm meetings as a way of abiding by the AZ open meeting law requirements. It is not required that the notice be mailed, only that it be noticed in a "newsletter, conspicuous posting or any other reasonable means as determined by the BOD." As I stated earlier, my CCRs and bylaws do not require that the members be informed of any amendments, do yours? If so, does it state how they must be informed? The only thing that must be noticed "in person or by mail" is the notice of the annual meeting or any special meeting of the members.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Yes, mine absolutely do state they need to be informed.

Each resident is to receive any changes to CC&Rs or rules and regulations.

We have to mail it to them.
EvaM1 (Florida)
Posts: 190
Posted:
the Newsletter a disclaimer: This Newsletter may be a bunch of crap, we try hard but sometimes we make a mistake, just like a newspaper. I caution all you folks who do not read this, your assessments will be double, whereas; all you who do read .. Robert\
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Robert,you mailed me laugh, in a good way that is.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RobertR1 on 06/13/2009 7:54 AM
Mary,
You could also put in the Newsletter a disclaimer: This Newsletter may be a bunch of crap, we try hard but sometimes we make a mistake, just like a newspaper. I caution all you folks who do not read this, your assessments will be double, whereas; all you who do read it and write glowing reports and praise for the editor will be allowed to two free beers at the next open bar "to do" sponsored by the exaulted members of your Board, which ain't gonna happen.

Robert,

I'm sending this to our PM for inclusion in our next quarterly newsletter. You are tooo funny! ROTFLMAO!!!!

Seriously, speaking of mistakes in newsletters. There was a HUGE one in our last one received a few days ago. It stated we have 340 properties in foreclosure (theres are 1,702 homes in our HOA), when in fact we have only 34. The PM said perhaps that will cause those who are delinquent to pay up fast!
BruceD1 (Georgia)
Posts: 59
Posted:
We send out an email newsletter called AaN (Almost a newsletter) and post rule changes, etc. So, also to save money I asked the Association legal if we were required to hard copy all rule changes and mail to homeowners.

Here is his response according to our CRRs.

Answer: The Board is not required to send notice to the owners when the Declaration or Bylaws are changed; however, the owners have the right to inspect the Declaration and Bylaws upon written request to the Board. See Section 9 of Article VI of the Bylaws. I suggest, nonetheless, for purposes of transparency and sound governance that the Board take reasonable steps to put owners on notice of any and all amendments. Notice should be in writing and given by personal delivery, U.S. mail, e-mail, fax, or via a secure website. See Section 1 of Article VI of the Bylaws. A change to a rule is effective when adopted by the Board and after notice to the Owners.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Bruce,
I like your lawyers response.
He is saying the way I read the doc you don't have to notice the owners about amendments to your documents. However, that don't sound quite right to me so to be on the safe side, I think you should notify them. Sounds like a man giving an opinion that you can work with. I also like that he uses the name transparency and suppoprts this tactic.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Robert, I am with you 100%.

100%+10%.

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