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JoyceB3 (California)
Posts: 20
Posted:
Our HOA did not have enough in the budget to pay for a change in our green lawn areas, soon to be mandated by the state of california. Could we ask for volunteer membership people with a green thumb, to help plant some of these areas?
The actual landscape design would be done by the landscape contractor, but labor of planting by our members. My thought is it might bring us together as a community and also cut down on the cost. Have any of you attempted to have volunteers help out this way?
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
All our garden beds are planted and cared for by volunteers, but there is no heavy planting or moving done. Any machinery (back hoes, moving of trees, etc) needs to be done thru a hired company.

Check your liability insurance for coverage of "volunteers" doing this kind of SMALL jobs.

PS - also check about guarantees for the plants if they are not installed by the landscapers. Most times, there is no guarantee if the company does NOT plant its products.
JoyceB3 (California)
Posts: 20
Posted:
Thank you for your quick reply to my question. The insurance liability issue might definitely need to be checked on. We do of course carry liability for maintenance people and other employees. I believe that also covers our homeowners if being in the common area and someone sustains injury. Working as a volunteer, might be something different.
JoyceB3 (California)
Posts: 20
Posted:
Thank you for your quick reply to my question. The insurance liability issue might definitely need to be checked on. We do of course carry liability for maintenance people and other employees. I believe that also covers our homeowners if being in the common area and someone sustains injury. Working as a volunteer, might be something different.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Joyce,

Of course, you can always ask; doesn't mean you'll get it!

As long as the work doesn't involve heavy lifting, climbing high ladders, tearing up sod or any other strenuous work, you may get a small number of members to volunteer. Many assn's rely on members to maintain flower beds. Your HOA ins should cover anyone regardless of whether or not they are getting paid -- board members don't get paid.
JoyceB3 (California)
Posts: 20
Posted:
Mary,
Thanks for your imput. We do have a few people in our 44 unit homes, that have suggested they would like to take part. These persons are doing gardening in their back yards and maintain them. The flower beds, which are very narrow, running between house foundations and sidewalks have in some instances been maintained by the homeowners. Our Responsibilty list, states the HOA is the responsible one. We need to change that, by putting it on a ballot for vote along with some other changes of responsiblity. This is in process. I am trying to figure out ways to give more money to do some of this changeover to drought tolerant landscaping, without another special assessment. I wonder if fundraising, where the monies go directly into a special landscaping fund for this purpose, would be allowed for an HOA in California. Does anyone know where I could get that info. None of the board members or Management seems to no, what the ruling is.
I welcome any and all thoughts and ideas.
Joyce
MW (California)
Posts: 16
Posted:
"Our HOA did not have enough in the budget to pay for a change in our green lawn areas, soon to be mandated by the state of california."

What exactly is the state going to mandate? I know we have rationing of water but what else? Do you mean we will have to remove our lawns?
JoyceB3 (California)
Posts: 20
Posted:
MW,
Thank you for your question. The word coming from our county is by the end of the year the water usage must be down a certain percent. They are asking homeowners to change from green lawns, which consume and waste a lot of water in runoff, be changed to drip systems and low water using plants and landscaping. We are now and in many towns around us being told we must adhere to a certain watering schedule, like three times a week for eight min. and only between certain hours. No daytime hours. There will be monitors going around or if someone else reports you to be in violation, Then two warnings will be issued, after that a $500.00 fine or more imposed on the violating homeowner. Due to poor irrigation systems, some small sloping lawns, we have a large amount of runoff. We live by a creek, they tell us we are in violation of a water pollution ordinance. It is at this time suggested to us to change at least 25% to 50% of green lawn area, to help in the runoff problem. So far we have changed a few sprinkler heads to try and remedy overspray into our streets. This helped a slight bit, but not enough. So now we are faced with a financial situation to attempt to comply as homeowners and an HOA.
Joyceb3

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DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Everyone,

I just returned from a 2 day seminar called "Yards and Neighborhoods" where the lack of fresh drinking water in the future is a major concern, even here in Tennessee where it is so green.

FACT!!! Over 55% of fresh water useage in the U.S. goes to landscape and lawn watering.

N. Carolina, California, Florida and Tennessee are a few of the States that are attacking this problem early. Soon there will be a national plan for States to request and down the road, mandate, the more sensible use of water.

I commend those of you who are starting to use native and drought tollerant plants. It might be in everyones future. Go to the Big Box stores and look at the amount of "natives" that they are now displaying. It is sending us all the message.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
I also think that in the future green lawns will be replaced by granite. This is the norm here in AZ, but I think it will become more the norm in other states as well. Keeping your lawn lush and green takes a fair amount of water too. HOAs could save a bundle by converting the water retention basins to granite.
JoyceB3 (California)
Posts: 20
Posted:
Mary and Donna,
Thank you for joining in on water conservation and understanding what the future holds. I think it is a good thing to get a start on the problem now, not after bad things may take place. I am only a member at large on our board of five members, but try to keep or even begin to enthuse others to start this project now. All I hear is,"We do not have the money." The reason being our operating budget nor reserves ever changed from the year or two before. I do not understand this way of thinking. The board members, who have been serving for five and six years or our
management company foresaw the need for budgeting the monies for this project. Our homeowners have been assessed for an $8,000.00 increase in flood insurance, which it was necessary to borrow from reserves in an emergency situation. Management, board responsibility to know about these things like insurance increases should be allowed at the time of budget approval, but instead it was overlooked, came due and had to be paid to have the coverage. Now homeowners have to pay back into the reserve fund. We have many needed repairs and future replacements with in the next two or three years, such as roof replacement.
The Community Services District has done an evaluation of our property and gave us warning there was and is to much runoff and waste of water. Also a warning of the polluted water contaminating the creek and our ground water. So I am trying to find ways that we can create some extra money to begin this water saving and money saving project. We would save in maintenance cost of lawns etc. in a three year period, by replacing with drip irrigation and drought tolerant, low water use type landscaping. I wonder if we as an association are allowed to have some fund raising events. We already have three lien foreclosures from owners
not paying their monthly dues. This is out of our 44 homes, which is another problem we are facing. Help is needed. Any and all advice is invited by me.
Thank you,
Joyceb3

MW (California)
Posts: 16
Posted:
JoyceB3
What county are you in? I'm in Santa Clara County and I believe they are requesting a voluntary 10% reduction of water use. Here there is a rebate program where they pay you if you remove your lawns to change to drought tolerant plants and a drip system. This rebate can be up to $20,000. See if your county has such a program.
MW
DeeS1 (Michigan)
Posts: 223
Posted:
Joyce: Our Association has attempted to accomplish something similar to this twice.

The first time, a Board member sent out a community note telling people where to show up and why. Not a single person came.

A couple years later, another attempt was made that was very successful. A couple of pieces of advice that I think made a difference:

1. In the announcement flyer, specifically detail the tasks you hope to accomplish (bulleted list)so people know what to expect.

2. Put in a rough estimate of how much overall the efforts will save the community and then, perhaps, show the estimated per house savings.

3. In the flyer spell out the minimum number of people you need to justify the supply purchase ... "we need at least 17 homeowners to recommit prior to making the supply purchase. The last thing you want is 200 plants and no helpers.

4. Don't be wishey washy in your request for help. While it is still volunteering make sure to use phrases like "we NEED your help to get this done" not "if you could please help." Most people assume that others will show.

5. Check with your insurance about volunteer coverage. We were told that as long as we were are not paying anyone, we were fine.

6. We did stretch it a bit and offered to let volunteers who contributed more than two hours of work to enter their name in a drawing for a chance to win a $100 dues credit for next year (1 entry per household). I'm sure there is a lot of sticky legal stuff that might have been violated here, but we didn't have any problem and the homeowners appreciated it.

7. One thing we did that was a lot of up front work, but helped things flow smooth, was to create work packages for every task we hoped to accomplish -- basically a piece of paper (card stock) that had the name of the task, brief description, supplies, and listed any tasks that needed to be done first. This way, homeowners could pick the jobs that interested them and someone didn't have to stand around giving orders so to speak.

It worked great for us -- the second time. Hope some of the ideas help.

DeeS1 (Michigan)
Posts: 223
Posted:
FYi -- one other tip. At least out here plants purchased from places like home depot, lowes, etc carry a one-year warranty (no matter what). So, while you don't get the landscaper's warranty, you can still replace/refund the plants that don't make it.

Also, out here, it's always cheaper to buy the landscaping for the fall planting, and they are rumored to do better in drought-tolerant conditions if planted in the fall.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:


Dee and Everyone,

The best planting time for any plant is given to us courtesy of Lowes, Home Depot and garden centers. IF and WHEN they display the plant, that is the correct time to buy and plant them. It is a NO BRAINER. They will not be selling spring flowers in December. Drought tollerant plants get planted any time of the year but cool seasons help the plant get established. They need watering to get started so you will need to care for them in the beginning.
JimW8 (California)
Posts: 14
Posted:
make sure you have a waiver of liabilty for them to sign and workmen comp paid up- check with your association attorney
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Jim,
Waiver of liability is correct. Workmans comp is NOT applicable for volunteers.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
If push comes to shove, a Waiver of Liability is really not that effective, depending on the "accident" and the damage incurred. But it gives the impression or sense of protection, so that's worth something.

I would make sure that the HOA insurance policy is up to date.

If people aren't using power tools, if there are no underground utilities to worry about, if the landscaping isn't being done on a dangerous slope, etc etc then just make sure your policy is up to date.

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