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JonD2 (California)
Posts: 2
Posted:
"Our Southern California HOA consists of 35 units. There are no individual unit water meters, so individual monthly dues pay for, among other things, interior and exterior water usage. Several homeowners are seriously delinquent, some for years. Some are renting out their units and some live in them. We have tried to collect, but to no avail. Can our HOA How, with a 30 day notice, shut off the water to the inside of the delinquent units? While our management company attorney 'advises' against it, we cannot get him to provide us with the legal basis for his opinion. How can we determine the law on this? Thank you"
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
one way to find out the law is to simply do it.

Secondly, you can invest some time to contact the local city or county attorney, and ask them. Also, contact the closest water company (private or public), and ask them for some advice. They might be able to point you to a quick answer (No, you cannot, here's why) or maybe not. Perhaps they can point you to their legal teams, who can give you an answer.

In general, you SHOULD be able to deny service for lack of payment. Your attorney is hinting that it is likely legal, but he doesn't want to tell you that (if it was absolutely illegal, he would tell you in a heartbeat! His hesitation and "advising you against it" makes you think he can't say it's legal, but he can't find out where it's illegal). However, water is frequently a vital service/utility, and there may well be rules against it. check with other utility providers, ask the city, and proceed carefully.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Jon,
Can't give you any case law, but I can tell you that in SC at my condo we did actually shut the water off to a delinquent unit. It seemed to be very effective.

Our condo supplies all the water to the condos, in that it is one monthly bill and no separate meters. EEC unit has a separate water shut off valve located on common property.

We consulted an Attorney and he provided us with a letter indicating that the water was an amenity provide by the association.

There was no contention about this action if I recall. I also believe that since that time letters to inform a few more owners that the water would be shut off until agreements about delinquent assessments have been settled.

No advise offered.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
I would say that unless the board has formulated and passed a Policy and Procedure or there is a bylaw for a step by step procedure for collection, (with the last step as the shut-off of the water,) you should not do it.

As I've said before - if it ain't in writing, it doesn't exist.

DanaB1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 319
Posted:
You'll have to do some digging I guess Jon. Here at my complex in CT. we have individual meters, I am aware of one delinquent unit that happens to have a renter in it. The renter ended up paying the water bill when he found them about to shut off his water. The renter was unable to reach the owner.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Dana,

Don'tcha just love owners like that? I'll bet the renter has no problem reaching him when it's time to pay the rent!!!
DwightT (Idaho)
Posts: 664
Posted:
Setting aside the legalities for a moment, are you physically able to shut off the water of an individual unit? Depending on how the plumbing is laid out, you might not be able to turn off one unit without turning off 3 others at the same time.
DanaB1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 319
Posted:
Actually Mary in this case I found it to be revenge at it's sweetest. This particular renter(we'll call him Ted) has been very aloof and difficult to deal with in the past. Never wanted to tell me anything about anything, his name, nothing. The association had to paint the porch to the unit, he said the stuff on it wasn't his, so I moved it all just to get the porch painted; he's that type of guy All of a sudden Ted's owner goes on the lamb, Ted has no forwarding address to even send his rent, the water company shows up to shut off the water.......you get the idea.

Ted see's the manager and me doing a walk around and he comes out asking if we know anything about the owner. Where they are, what will happen to him.............. Ted is all of a sudden very open and willing to do anything for fear that he will come home from work and find all his furnishings in the parking lot. I sort of smirked at this point enjoying the moment. (I find that board members never quite get enough of these moments; so when they do come, enjoy them.) I'm sure that if Ted actually gets to the point of needing legal counsel he will find that the association would have a rather difficult time removing him, but hopefully not for our sake.

This unit is with the attorney as we speak so I couldn't really tell Ted much in return. This particular unit owner is one wherein they don't pay for a few months, it goes to attorney, they eventually pay common fees "plus" attorney costs and then it starts all over again. Heck of a way to make a living. But this particular round with this owner has been the worst and foreclosure proceedings are in the works.

That was part of my curiousity when some of you described in another post that you take owners to small claims.

We only have this one unit in arrears so compared to many other posters here my "problems" are rather small.

JeanneK3 (Maryland)
Posts: 562
Posted:
Anyone who has their water shut off should file a complaint with the Board of Health. In Maryland, the local Board of Health will make sure it is turned back on. I know turning off water seems like a reasonable tactic when people don't pay, but I do believe it is a health risk.
Jeanne
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Dana,

I'm afraid there a alot of people like Ted. They only show their "nice" side when it benefits them! When the foreclosure notice is tacked on the door perhaps he'll get the message that it's time to move out.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Seems like in FL this is a no,no.
http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/local/hillsborough/Condo_owner_gets_water_back

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Seems like in FL this is a no,no.
http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/local/hillsborough/Condo_owner_gets_water_back

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions

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