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PeteA (Arizona)
Posts: 5
Posted:
It was recently discovered that voter fraud and forgery had taken place with the 2008 and 2009 Board of Directors elections. Would the affected elections not be voided and new elections held? If the election is voided then would those who were elected as board members have to stand down and run again under the new election? The fraud did occur and validating documents have be sent to the Arizona Attorney General. Now here is the rub. Over the two elections 5 out of total of 5 current board members were elected. Can the HOA member residents appoint an interim board until a new election can be held?
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
You will have to prove that the forged votes made a difference in the outcome. What you have posted here is not enough info.

If the election is deemed null and void, another election will be held and anyone can run again, according to your documents.

Do you want to make certain people ineligible for office?

RobertG12 (Arizona)
Posts: 160
Posted:
It probably doesn't make any difference to your question, but would you share how the fraud occurred and how it was detected?
PeteA (Arizona)
Posts: 5
Posted:
The votes did make a difference. There is a major assited living facility in our association that has the right to vote a block of over 130 votes. The owners pay dues on 130 units so therefore they get the votes. It was discovered that the block ballot for 2008 contained the name of an executive director that had not been with the facility for three years. The ballot this year contained a forged signature of the the current director. She signed a affidavit indicating that a. it was not her signature and b. she did not participate in the election because she didn't know any of the candidates. Does that help?
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Pete.
I am sure you have heard this before. It appears you have a large. complicated association. This plus what you have offered dictates, you really need to get a group of concerned owners together and hire representation. On the off chance that some judge steps in and assigns some kind of "receiver", you will still want representation for your group. It appears the conditions that exist in your HOA allowed all this stuff to happen. That is not good and without doubt extends beyond your knowledge. People don't just rig one election, don't work that way, they have other irons in the fire.

You really need a champion for your group.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
What a mess - Too late to do anything about the 08 election.

You must act quickly if you think the 09 election was fraudulent. Again, the results MUST be shown that they would be different, if it weren't for the "fraud.'

If the facts are presented to the board, they may HAVE to declare the election null and void and order it to be done again.

Since that probably won't happen, in the meantime, you could hold a special meeting of the members to present the facts, recall the board and hold the election again. Be sure to follow your documents.

A recall and new election is the best way to go, IMHO. And be sure to have an election committee verify all votes and count the results. Keep board members and management out of the election process. Call in an outside consultant, if needed.

RobertG12 (Arizona)
Posts: 160
Posted:
Are people unhappy with the election outcome?

I think you might have a bigger can of worms if you start tossing out the elections. What happens to all the actions that were taken by the board? Would they be voided and all contracts nullified?
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
RobertG,
The answer to your question is, "Who knows the answer to what might happen in the future."

Reality, if we are hearing straight, is: you have to deal with todays problem today, anything you do that is not directed to solving that problem is compounding your situation.

If there is fraud, that is at least a minor crime, and you say cover it up because it might cause a problem someplace else. You cover it up and someone will drag you into court as contributing to the illegal action. This is not at the Richard Nixon level, but same criminal stuff.

Just my opinion RobertG
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Pete,

First of all, I doubt the AG will get involved so don't wait around for that. You can quickly check this out by calling the office to find out the status of your written complaint. Usually as soon as you state you are an HOA, you will be told the AG does not handle HOA problems. Secondly I don't know that the members have any authority to really do anything about this short of filing a lawsuit (hope you have very good proof!) or petitioning the members to recall the board. Check your gov docs to see exactly what authority the members have; I doubt that it extends beyond voting at member meetings, electing directors, perhaps ratifying the budget and attending all meetings of the assn.(a state law).

If you choose the recall route, make certain to check out the state statute: ARS 33-1243 (for condos) or 33-1813 (for planned communities).
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Pete,
Mary knows her Arizona stuff and is no doubt right.
However, you can bring suit out side the HOA or as she says you can really get to know your documents.

Personally, no matter how you do it (work for change) you and who ever else (make it a joint venture)need to get on the record of finding out what is going on.
You do that by appearing before the Board and demanding the Board read into the record your concerns. You request a written reply from the Board/M/C or whatever. If they do not respond get a lawyer and have him write them a letter, then take his advice.

I don't know what is going on out there, it sounds valid and certainly not that unusual and the causes are usually the same. Uncontrolled power and owners neglect. Your lawyer would have to tell you what method to use to effect change. Who controls the power...............always the people.
PeteA (Arizona)
Posts: 5
Posted:
The group is being formed as of this writing. Yes, the process is complicated but we are hoping the offending parties will see the exposure they will be in for a gracefully step down. Fat chance when egos are involved.
PeteA (Arizona)
Posts: 5
Posted:
It is a long shot for the AG to get involved but they have before as you probably know. In 2005 the legislation removed the poxy vote from the equation so there is an interest in voting procedures. Thanks too for the statute reference, we have that in hand, it is tough to get a majority of people to do anything these days but if that's what it takes we will have to give it our best shot.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Pete,

No, I'm not aware that the AG has ever gotten involved in HOA matters. Can you elaborate? Thx!
PeteA (Arizona)
Posts: 5
Posted:
I ran across an aticle while doing research on the subject yesterday but can not sight the article off the top of my head. I think the issue was voter fraud and it was related to an HOA. Again, this had to do with the question of proxy votes and was not related to our situation directly.

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