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ThomasC11 (California)
Posts: 210
Posted:
Our Board refused to enforce the rules regarding garage usage, # of pets, and some others. Community is now overcrowded and losing value. In California, what recourse is there to make the Board accountable?

AnnJ2 (Colorado)
Posts: 120
Posted:
You can file a claim for negligence against the director's insurance policy, that would be the most extreme i can think of and should not be done without the advice of legal. Check the by-laws most likely for recall rules of the board. If you do not want to establish a new board then again check the documents for the requirement to force the board into a membership meeting where the matter can be addressed. but be prepared to have them all resign enmasse. But first, request a hearing with the board to outline your concerns and those of others and request that they comply with their stated fiscal and fiduciary duties which can be argued include enforcement of the rules you named.

the larger question here is why are they not enforcing these rules at all as is implied in the question? Or are there only portions of the rules that they are not enforcing and again why?
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
How old are these CCRs? Maybe they need to be updated. Establish a committee to review them and see if they are even relevant. Of course, there will be a big vote threshold to change them, but at least the Members would have some input.

You will need to document just how these violations are decreasing property values. In the meantime, big orange sticker-signs on the garbage cans MAY get some attention.

MikeS1
Posts: 521
Posted:
What's the exact language in the CCRs regarding use of Garages? Are these homes Condo's, townhomes, single Family?.. What ownership form? Condo? Fee Simple?
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
The first, best and least often used recourse to make any elected official accountable is a conversation.

after that, then there is the ballot.

MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Thomas,

I would suggest checking out the exact wording in your CCRs. Does it say the BOD SHALL enforce or has a DUTY to enforce, or does it say they MAY enforce or are not obligated to enforce. Some CCRs do not require the BOD to enforce the docs. Here is what my CCRs say: "Assn as enforcing body. The assn, as agent and representative of the owners, shall have the exclusive right, but not the obligation, to enforce the provisions of this declaration. However, if the assn shall fail or refuse to enforce a mandatory provision of the declaration for an unreasonable period of time (which shall exceed at least 30 days) after written request by at least 10% owners to do so, then the requesting owners may enforce them on behalf of the assn by any appropriate action, whether at law or in equity." There is a famous case in (Gfeller Case) wherein the BOD lost because the docs explicitly state the BOD has the DUTY to enforce the CCRs. Absent the word "Duty" the h/o would have prevailed. Since that case was settled, HOA attorneys have advised their clients to amend the CCRs if there are any provisions contained therein that they do not wish to enforce otherwise they may be subject to a lawsuit for failure to enforce.

I cannot comment on what recourse you may have because I don't know exactly what your docs say regarding enforcement. BTW, you may also want to check out the Davis Stirling Act which governs HOAs.
EllenS1 (Florida)
Posts: 1,148
Posted:
In many cases the board is operating on covenants with no teeth in them and owners know that. In our state even if you choose the legal route and pay huge fees they can't be foreclosed on because of our homestead laws (which is only allowed for non-payment of assessments) I wouldn't lay the blame at the board. Perhaps you can amend your docs so you can take some action.
CariB1 (California)
Posts: 8
Posted:
The best recourse, IMHO, is to have as much interaction between owners and board members. This seems to be almost impossible for some reason. As an owner in a 51 unit and former Board President there, I am extremely frustrated by exactly the same scenario.

I believe you've received excellent answers so far. I can tell you that my current board is a TIRED and frustrated board, but also fearful of changes.

* homeowners need to attend the board meetings
* if they just can't - ask for minutes and documents to which they are entitled
* properly request via your BOD the issues of concern and ask that they be put on the AGENDA
* if something goes on record, it is usually more powerful than if it was just a passing comment in a hallway or note dropped off

Good luck -
ThomasC11 (California)
Posts: 210
Posted:
Thanks for all of the responses. We are a condo association and our documents state that the Board is responsible for enforcing the CCR's.

I have been checking our documents. A few of the rules that are not being enforced are the following:

Residents must park at least 1 car in garage/carport (most important one at this point)

Others are:
No posting of garage sale signs on street posts/mailboxes
No more than a max of 2 dogs per unit
Trash cans must be brought in within 12 hours after trash day

The reason the Board does not enforce the rules is because most are in violation of garage usage themselves. Therefore they choose not to do anything.

So, short of a recall, what can those of us who want the rules enforced do? I have considered small claims court.

thanks

BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
why not a recall?

if you sue the board, you sue the HOA. if the HOA loses, you pay. WHy not simply recall the board?

ThomasC11 (California)
Posts: 210
Posted:
We just had a recall, got 4 or 7 spots. One member has recently swung to "their side" and we don't have majority. This lack of enforcement is not a new problem. I confronted the Board years ago about the garage policy and at that point only 1 of 7 members confessed to using his garage.

BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
So one of the people the members elected using their infinite wisdom has decided, using their infinite wisdom, to follow the ways of the "old" board, and not stay true to the course?

sounds like someone didn't exercise enough wisdom somewhere along the line.
ThomasC11 (California)
Posts: 210
Posted:
yes, he was very deceiving

so any ideas
TracieS (Colorado)
Posts: 460
Posted:
Hi ThomasC,

I don't have any suggestions, but I do have a question. Forgive me, and this is not meant to sound trite, but why does anyone care if people park in their garages? Where do they park, if not a garage/carport?
ThomasC11 (California)
Posts: 210
Posted:
They park in the lots, some with 4 cars. We only have 910 spaces for 914 units so things are already tight.
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
Sorry THomas, sueing rarely makes anyone a winner. THe real power is in the ballot, in the recall. I suggest you attend every board meeting, with covenants in hand, and nicely, politely, ask for answers.

and then, get yourself and people who are trustworthy elected.

ThomasC11 (California)
Posts: 210
Posted:
thanks Brian, new election coming. We'll see who gets on.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Thomas,

Since you did not comment on my response, I'm re-posting it because I feel what I had to say is very important. If you are considering recalling a board member or taking legal action against the board I think it's critical that you know exactly what your gov docs say about enforcement. All you stated is that the docs say the board is resp for enforcement, but you need to look at the exact wording.

05/27/2009 7:31 AM Quote Reply
Thomas,

I would suggest checking out the exact wording in your CCRs. Does it say the BOD SHALL enforce or has a DUTY to enforce, or does it say they MAY enforce or are not obligated to enforce. Some CCRs do not require the BOD to enforce the docs. Here is what my CCRs say: "Assn as enforcing body. The assn, as agent and representative of the owners, shall have the exclusive right, but not the obligation, to enforce the provisions of this declaration. However, if the assn shall fail or refuse to enforce a mandatory provision of the declaration for an unreasonable period of time (which shall exceed at least 30 days) after written request by at least 10% owners to do so, then the requesting owners may enforce them on behalf of the assn by any appropriate action, whether at law or in equity." There is a famous case in (Gfeller Case) wherein the BOD lost because the docs explicitly state the BOD has the DUTY to enforce the CCRs. Absent the word "Duty" the h/o would have prevailed. Since that case was settled, HOA attorneys have advised their clients to amend the CCRs if there are any provisions contained therein that they do not wish to enforce otherwise they may be subject to a lawsuit for failure to enforce.

I cannot comment on what recourse you may have because I don't know exactly what your docs say regarding enforcement. BTW, you may also want to check out the Davis Stirling Act which governs HOAs.
EvaM1 (Florida)
Posts: 190
Posted:
Mary,

I read everything you said here, again, very carefully. And I quickly checked our CRRs. No where I could find (under the Use of Property: parking , pets, leases) or anywhere in the covenants a disclaimer or any statement that the Association is responsible for enforcing these rules.

Only under the ‘Maintenance’ it says: 'The association shall at all times be responsible for the maintenance and care of the exterior of all units.. ‘

Other than that, the by-laws ‘under ‘Power and duties of the Board of Directors’ list enforcing rules listed under the Articles and By-laws.'

Is that a loop-hole in our documents which ought to be addressed?
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Eva,
I am sure Donna will cite you chapter and verse about enforcement in Florida, and it will probably not be in your CC&r's, it will be in State Statutes.

I went and read all the post here and as usual the advise should prove valuable and applicable.

But it strikes me that the right question is not being asked. It is not what can you do to make the Board enforce if they ignore the covenants, the question is what can you do to make the council (owners) care enough to accept their responsibility. If your board is not operating right the solution is with the members................the members elect the Board, the members hold the power........as always. The members can pick and choose who they want on the Board, and there is little as effective; as five or six owners going to a Board meeting and demanding accountability of selective Board Members. You will quickly draw their attention.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Eva,

According to case law in AZ, (which judges in other states may refer to) unless the gov docs state the BOD has a "duty" to enforce they may be held accuntable for a failure to enforce. Your CCRs should have an article entitled "Enforcement" whereby the BOD is given the power to enforce the CCRs. It's that wording that should be carefully looked at. My CCRs state: "The Assn, as agent and rep of the owners, shall have the exclusive right, but not the obligation to enforce the provisions of this declaration." Then it goes on to state if the BOD fails to enforce at least 10% of the owners may petition the BOD to do so but if within 30 days they fail to do so the members may enforce on behalf of the assn.
EvaM1 (Florida)
Posts: 190
Posted:
Mary,

I am truly thankful you brought up the covenant enforcement. We 'assume' the enforcement of all our documents is always the BODs responsibility. Ha.Our covenants do not include an Article: Enforcement. The enforcement of covenants is addressed only under 'Use of Property' And it says:

‘Should the Association be required to seek enforcement of any provision of the Declaration, then, in that event, the defending townhouse unit (for himself or for his family, guests, invitees, or lessees) shall be liable to the Association for all costs incurred in trial or appellate proceedings or otherwise.’

Now, I am not even sure what it means?
EvaM1 (Florida)
Posts: 190
Posted:
Robert,

thank you. We are just in the process of reviewing our documents which are almost 30 years old. Our struggle is the ‘interpretation’ of some of the provisions which are dated, lack clarity or simply do not comply with the new laws.The Florida Chapter 720 does not seem to say who is responsible for enforcing covenants - including leases, ‘guests’, pets, parking, etc. But, I will check again.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
EVA,

IMO, it means if the assn takes a member to court the member pays all the costs, I guess even if he wins! That's a bummer.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Eva, This to your post here and your one to me.

I will leave this to Mary or Donna as far as Florida Statute is concerned.

But, I interpret this clause to mean the Board has the right to notify specific owners of specific problems covered under the documents and request specific compliance. This request has to consider your documents provisions. If they want to p[resent their case to the Board they should be given the opportunity. If they ignore this request for resolution the Board thereby has the authority to file suit to enforce the covenants.
My opinion.
EvaM1 (Florida)
Posts: 190
Posted:
Mary,

are the enforcement procedures actually spelled out in your covenants, i.e. a letter followed by a hearing followed by mediation etc..as directed by the State law such as, F.S 720.311?
In Florida, 'selective enforcement' is a legal defense. And, if the covenants are not enforced for a period of five years they are no longer enforcable.

EvaM1 (Florida)
Posts: 190
Posted:
Mary, am very sorry, I made a mistake. There is an Article ‘Enforcement of Declaration’:

' The enforcement of this Declaration may be by proceeding at law for damages or in equity to compel compliance with its terms or to prevent violation or breach of any of the covenants or terms herein. Enforcement may be sought by the Developer, the Association, or any individual and should the party seeking enforcement be the prevailing party then the person against whom enforcement has been sought shall pay all costs and reasonable attorney's fees at all trial and appellate levels to the prevailing party.'

And here again under ‘Use of property’

‘Should the Association be required to seek enforcement of any provision of the Declaration, then, in that event, the defending townhouse unit (for himself or for his family, guests, invitees, or lessees) shall be liable to the Association for all costs incurred in trial or appellate proceedings or otherwise.’
EvaM1 (Florida)
Posts: 190
Posted:
Robert,

You are right. The Board may have the right to enforce the covenants, but the Board is may not be responsible for enforcing the covenants. That is what I am trying to understand. What do your covenants say under Enforcement of Declaration?
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Eva,

I interpret the enforcement provision to mean the board can choose to enforce or they can choose not to -- either way they will be in compliance with the CCRs. Use of the word "may" gives the BOD the authority to choose. If the word "shall" had been used, then the BOD would be obligated to enforce, however, absent the word duty, if they didn't a court may rule in their favor.
EvaM1 (Florida)
Posts: 190
Posted:
Mary,

yes, we are in harmony. The Association - 'shall' be responsible for the maintenance of the units and common areas and insurance, filing liens,etc.
But the BOD 'may' be responsible for enforcing lease restriction, pets, parking, etc.

I was struggling with the enforcement of lease applications. Some owners do not feel obligated to inform the association when a new lease is signed or when a cousin arrives and stays in a vacant unit for a month, if you know what I mean. The Board has not enforced the lease restrictions for years, or at least not consistently. And, there is nothing the members can do but complain. In your association, the members have the right to take the issue into their own hands when everything else fails. Interesting.

RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
The fact that the Board has not enforced the covenants for years is not material, unless a date is specified for enforcement. Your documents probably contain a statement that the non-enforcement of documents does not forbid the Board to enforce at any time. Pretty standard term, I think.

Of course the members cando more than complain. they can assert their rights, they just have to know them a have a desire.

Eva, you know who elected the Board, you know who can dis-elect the next board, you just need to know how to get all this done, and either state law or your documents will tell you. Get some support together, compose a mutual mission statement, learn your documents and stir up some action.
EvaM1 (Florida)
Posts: 190
Posted:
Robert,

I was not clear. I should have said ex-Board. We elected a new board about a month ago and now are in the process to clarify our documents so we all understand what our responsibilities are. We have a super nice group of people living here but once a while we do get a bad tenant. It can happen everywhere. Please bear with me, I am not complaining about anything. I am just talking about some of the problems we have had while taking our documents apart and trying to learn from others.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Eva,
No problem here, I hope I don't sound judgmental, folks like you that take on these thankless tasks are the salt of the earth.
Then they change and become regulars here and turn out to be a pain in the butt, just like me.
EvaM1 (Florida)
Posts: 190
Posted:
Oh Robert,not at all, you are very helpful. I realize that sometimes I am not as clear as I should. And, for that I am sorry. You know, we could contact an attorney but since we do not what we do not know it just does not make much sense. And, I simply do not want to replace one boilerplate with another.
ThomasC11 (California)
Posts: 210
Posted:
MaryA1, I also could not find a section titled "Enforcment: this what I did find that seems close to clarifying the wording.

In CCR, in section called "The Association: Powers" I found the following:

The Board of Directors shall have the following rights and powers: To adopt by-laws and/or rules and regulations not inconsistent with the provisions of the Declaration, including but not limited to, rules and regulations relating to the use of and activity in the Residential Common Area, Recreational Common Area and Restricted Comon Area.

Then goes on to list other things "To Do", maintain bank account, levy assessments, and some others.

In By Laws, under "Functions of the Association":

Sec 1 - The Association is to act as a "management body" for the preservation, maintenance, architectural control and improvement of the Recreational Common Area and Residential Common Area.

Sec 2 - The BOD shall have the power to exercise any right, power or purpose set forth expressly or by reasonable implication in the Declaration, the Articles of Incorporation or these By-Laws.

Sec 3 - Pursuant to the provisions of the Article entitled "Assessments" of the Declaration, it shall be the duty of the BOD to fix, alter, collect and enforce assessments upon Owners.

Does this wording make enforcing rules their duty or option?

MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Thomas,

I'm surprised that your CCRs do not contain an "enforcement" article. I don't see anything at all in the info you posted which addresses enforcement of CCR violations. There should be something somewhere in the CCRs. Or, if you architectural guidelines attached to the CCRs it may be in there. Sometimes you really have to dig deep to find something!!
ThomasC11 (California)
Posts: 210
Posted:
Nothing! You seem very helpful, can I email you the documents?
ThomasC11 (California)
Posts: 210
Posted:
Found this under Scope: Enforcement

The limitations, restrictions, conditions and covenants set forth in this Declaration constitute a general scheme for (i) the maintenance, protection, enhancement of value of the Project and all Condominiums,and the benefit of all Owners. Said limitations, restritions, conditions and covenants are imposed on eahc Cond for the bnenfit of every other Condo and the present and future Owners thereof.

The result of or condition caused by any violation of any of said limitations, restrictions, conditions or covenants, is and shall be a nuisance, and may be exercised by any enforcing person.
ThomasC11 (California)
Posts: 210
Posted:
This is in Rules and Regs

ENFORCEMENT PROCEDURES
Any violation of the governing documents (CC&R’s, Bylaws, Rules and Regulations and
Architectural or Landscape Policies) of the Laguna Village Owners’ Association will be
processed according to the procedures outlined herein. A violation notice will be generated to
the offending Member in the event two (2) or more Members of the Association, or Board of
Directors, or their authorized agent file a violation report.
1. An initial courtesy letter will be sent advising the Member, and in the case of a
Tenant a copy will be sent to the Tenant, of the alleged violation and the date by
which the violation needs to be corrected by, typically ten (10) days.
2. Upon expiration of the cure date, if the violation still exists, a second letter will be
sent to the Member stating that failure to abide by the Association’s governing
documents within ten (10) days, will result in a notice of hearing being sent to the
Member.
3. If the violation has not been corrected with the ten (10) day period, specified in item
number 2, then a Notice of Hearing will be sent to the Member, requesting same to
appear before the Board of Directors at the next regularly scheduled Hearing
Meeting.
4. The Board of Directors will weigh the facts as presented. The Member will then be
advised of the Board’s decision within ten (10) days as to the Board’s findings. If the
Member is found to be in violation of the Association’s governing documents, the
Board may:
a. apply a monetary fine, twenty-five ($25.00) dollars to the Member’s assessment
statement,
b. suspend the Members use of the recreational facilities, not to exceed thirty (30)
days,
c. suspend the Member’s voting privileges, not to exceed thirty (30) days, or in the
event of a continuing violation, voting privileges may be suspended for as long as
the violation continues,
d. institute legal action, or
e. a combination thereof.
5. Repeated violations will be subject to additional fines and/or suspensions after a duly
noticed Hearing. Violations continuing past the notice to the Member of the Board’s
decision will be deemed a new violation.
6. If a Member’s compliance with a violated provision of the governing documents is
not obtained after the imposition of two (2) or more fines and/or repeated
suspensions, the Board will consider implementing legal remedies.
7. Please refer to the Parking Rules and Regulations herein for enforcement procedures
relative to vehicle violations.
NOTE: A violation is defined as an act in conflict with the CC&R’s, Bylaws, Rules and
Regulations and Architectural and Landscape Policies, or other governing documents of the
Association.
Should a violation occur which imposes financial obligation on the Association, then the
Member responsible for said violation shall reimburse, by way of a Special Assessment, the
Association for this financial obligation. If for example, a fence, tree or any other common
area property is damaged, repair and/or replacement cost will be included in the Special
Assessment.
NancyL4 (California)
Posts: 60
Posted:
This is what Davis-Stirling says about enforcement of the governing documents.

§1354. Covenants and Restrictions in
Declaration as Equitable Servitudes;
Enforcement; Attorneys’ Fees

(a) The covenants and restrictions in the declaration
shall be enforceable equitable servitudes, unless
unreasonable, and shall inure to the benefit of and bind
all owners of separate interests in the development.
Unless the declaration states otherwise, these servitudes
may be enforced by any owner of a separate interest or
by the association, or by both.

(b) A governing document other than the
declaration may be enforced by the association against
an owner of a separate interest or by an owner of a
separate interest against the association.

(c) In an action to enforce the governing documents,
the prevailing party shall be awarded reasonable
attorney’s fees and costs.
ThomasC11 (California)
Posts: 210
Posted:
So maybe the mention of suing the association will get some results.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Thomas,
Have you considered these Articles of Incorporation is where your enforcement authority lies.
I would guess you are a non-profit corporation licensed by the state. Go to you state web site and look up your association name and see if you are not Licensed by the state statute as non-profit. I could well be that a lot of your authority is contained in this statute.

Also look under your state statute for Condo/homeowners, there could be direction there.

I would also look locally at other similar associations and ask around or of course, pay for a lawyer consult to get squared away.
I am not sure what state you are from Thomas, but it just aboujt has to be somewhere and I can't imagine there are other association around that don't have auithority also. This all sounds strange and something is there you are not seeing.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Good Lord Thomas,
There are tons of associations in CA that you could compare documents with.
NancyL4 (California)
Posts: 60
Posted:
We certainly don't like it when homeowners threaten us with a lawsuit. We have to take that very seriously. Your BOD should be enforcing the CC&Rs and other governing documents. What are they not enforcing that you don't like?
ThomasC11 (California)
Posts: 210
Posted:
Rules that are not enforced:

REQUIRED PARKING IN GARAGE/CARPORT:
No garage or carport shall be converted to living quarters or used for storage, hobbies or
recreational activities. Each resident owner, or in the event a unit is leased, each tenant, shall park at least one (1) Authorized Vehicle within the unit’s garage or carport before parking any additional vehicles with the common area.

limit on # of dogs is 2

no garage sale signs taped to posts (people leave tape behind)

Balcony railings must be kept clear of all plants, pots, and decorations.

All trash receptacles must be placed in front of the unit (on the driveway, not in the greenbelt) no earlier than 12 hours prior to the scheduled pick-up day and must be removed from the Common Area no later than 12 hours after the scheduled pick-up day.

No individual shall install decorative objects of any kind in the Common Areas(including but not limited to: figurines, ceramic or other materials, potted plants, signs, whirly-gigs, trellis, fences, etc…)

This blind-eye approach is creating a rundown community, my value is dropping more than it should be.
ThomasC11 (California)
Posts: 210
Posted:
I spoke with someone on the BOD and he says we have no statement in documents that says BOD has the Duty or Shall enforce. Now looking for another method to get this done. Thanks for the suggestions.
NancyL4 (California)
Posts: 60
Posted:
Why don't you send the BOD section 1354 of the Civil Code that I posted? A homeowner can ask the BOD to enforce. Your BOD should be smart enough to know that a homeowner can sue for lack of enforcement in California. I would not try and threaten them, but do tell them in a nice way what is bothering you about their lack of enforcement. If homeowners are parking all over the place, having too many animals, and using their garages for storage instead of parking, you have valid concerns and they should listen and take the appropriate action.
ThomasC11 (California)
Posts: 210
Posted:
OK, Nancy that sounds like a legitimate approach. In the past, residents have simply asked the BOD the question at HOA monthly meetings and were given no response (silence). There was one older gentlemen who I saw ask the same question 4 months in a row, I thought it was a joke or something. Later asked him and he said he was serious and would keep asking until BOD did something about it.

This sounds like a better platform, thank you.
NancyL4 (California)
Posts: 60
Posted:
Here's some more information that I copied from the Davis-Stirling website.

Associations have standing to institute, defend, settle, or intervene in litigation, arbitration, mediation, or administrative proceedings on behalf of the membership (Civil Code §1368.3. Duffey v. Superior Court) in matters pertaining to the following:
enforcement of the governing documents, damage to the common areas;
damage to the separate interests which the association is obligated to maintain or repair; and
damage to a separate interest that arises out of, or is integrally related to, damage to the common area or separate interest that the association is obligated to maintain or repair;construction defects. Windham v. Superior Court

Discretion to Sue. Boards have some discretion when it comes to the decision to litigate to enforce the governing documents. Boards can weigh the cost of litigation, the gravity of the violation, and the likely outcome of the litigation, and make a good faith determination not to litigate a particular violation. Beehan v. Lido Isle

Failure to Enforce. Associations can be held liable for their failure to enforce the CC&Rs. Owners may sue the association for damages and an injunction to compel the association to enforce its documents. Posey v. Leavitt

Owner Enforcement. Individual owners may also bring legal action against persons who violate the CC&Rs. Civil Code §1354(a)

I am surprised that your BOD does not take enforcement matters seriously. Maybe, they are not aware of the law. You can go to berding-weil.com and click on the library. You can download the entire 2009 statute book. It's long, but you can search on specific topics. It's a PDF. Maybe, you should send it to your BOD and make them aware of the law.
ThomasC11 (California)
Posts: 210
Posted:
perfect, thanks again

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