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ReeseR (California)
Posts: 7
Posted:
Do you know if the HOA is allowed to mail owners lists of names of people who are delinquent? From what I can garner, it's legal but it's a gray area. I heard that publishing deliquent unit numbers rather than names could be better.

And that the lists can only go to homeowners, not renters and shoudl not be posted anywhere, only mailed.

Anybody know about this?

We have $160,000 in delinquencies. Over half our complex is not paying. Thanks.
JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 967
Posted:
Reese,

Some do, some don't.

Our BOD's policy is to not transmit any names, addresses or individual amounts owed by our Members. We see no positive purpose and possible negative consequences.

Others will disagree, but that works for us.
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
General advice around the board is that while it is likely LEGAL for the HOA to do so, it isn't thought by many to be the wisest thing to do. It is also believed that other methods of collection will garner you better results than shame.

NancyL4 (California)
Posts: 60
Posted:
This is from the Davis-Stirling website which has a lot of helpful information.

"Posting Delinquent Owners' Names

QUESTION: The board wants to publish the names of delinquent owners in our newsletter. First is this legal and two is it a good idea?

ANSWER: Associations cannot publish the names of owners where the board voted to foreclose on their units. Civil Code §1367.4(c)(2) However, there is nothing that prohibits publishing the names of delinquent owners. For guidance on this issue we can look to California, which routinely publishes the names of delinquent taxpayers. We can look to its procedures because courts have already noted the quasi-governmental nature of homeowners associations and analogized assessments to taxes. Chantiles v. Lake Forest II
California's Procedures. According to the state's website, California mails each person on its list a certified letter providing the person an opportunity to pay their taxes before the list is published. To avoid being published, taxpayers must do one of the following: (i) pay the liability in full, (ii) establish an installment agreement, (iii) enter into an offer in compromise, or (iv) substantiate a bankruptcy filing.

Association's Procedures. If an association wants to publish the names of delinquent owners, I recommend the following:

Amend the governing documents to include publishing names as one of its collection policies.

Amend its collection policy to include sending a certified letter, return receipt requested, to the owner
giving him/her an opportunity to pay before the list is published.

Distribute or mail the list to members only (not renters). Do not post the list in the common areas where
visitors can see it.

Title the list "Delinquent Owners." Do not characterize owners as "Deadbeats of the Month" or any other
pejorative term, and do not state whether foreclosure has commenced against their units.

Include a disclaimer such as: "This information was last updated on . Payments made after are
not reflected."

Be consistent in publishing names (perhaps quarterly) and be even-handed by publishing all names (unless
they have paid in full, worked out payment plan, or declared bankruptcy)."

This is their recommendation.

RECOMMENDATION. In my opinion, the above procedures are reasonable. However, in our litigious society, there is no guarantee a disgruntled owner won't claim defamation. Also, there is an unresolved question about whether publication would trigger the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act. Not everyone is going to agree with my analysis so boards should seek and follow the advice of their association's legal counsel on this issue.
ReeseR (California)
Posts: 7
Posted:
Thanks. Davis-Sterling is actually where I got my info : )
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Follow NancyL4 advice, but don't publish the unit owners names. You would have no idea who the "current" owner is or not. Might get you in trouble with slander if you say someone owes and they don't own it. Just publish the unit numbers or address.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
". . . there is no guarantee a disgruntled owner won't claim defamation. "

Claiming it and winning a suit over it are two different things. And someone who is delinquent may not have much cash to get a lawyer and sue.

We mail out a status report to ALL MEMBERS of the ORGANIZATION. It is their organization, it is their information.

This isn't "publishing" - it's a status report of as XXXX date that is sent to each member of the association. We aren't Citibank, we are all members of the organization, and we aren't publishing in a newspaper or online.

The names and addresses are listed along with status: Paid or Unpaid.

BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
It's odd that Davis Sterling forbids publishing when foreclosed, because at that point, isn't it a matter of truly public record already?

The Fair Debt COllection Act applies to third party collectors, so an HOA, self managed, attempting to collect their own debt, should be exempt. However, if you are using a Property Management company, or any other contractor/vendor, then it may well apply. As stated, the question is in a bit of an unresolved, grey state... proceed with legal advice, not forum advice in that arena. Judges in courts don't have to follow the law either, to the surprise of many.
NancyL4 (California)
Posts: 60
Posted:
Here's an interesting article from the Berding-Weil website which also has a lot of good information.

The economic crisis has impaired the ability of homeowner associations to pay for maintenance, insurance and to properly fund repairs and capital improvements. It is said that “Necessity is the mother of invention” and in other articles and presentations, we have identified smart, prudent ways of minimizing the effect the crisis has had on association operations, including, most recently, the efficient use of small claims court to pursue delinquency claims against owners whose homes have no equity. One idea we do not endorse is the publication the names of association members in a newsletter or other written media distributed by an association or its managing agent. Here are some reasons why publication is unwise.

The Davis-Stirling Act Does Not Authorize Publication

Assessment collection is highly regulated under Davis-Stirling and the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act. Many of the laws are intended to protect the debtor. None of these laws specifically authorize the publication of the names of delinquent owners; in one situation publication is specifically prohibited and in others it is implied.

The decision to foreclose on a delinquent owner's property must be made by the board in executive session (Civ Code §1367.4). The board is required to maintain “the confidentiality” of the owner by referencing the property by parcel “rather than the name of the owner”. The decision to record a lien must be done in open session but the statute does not require that the owner's names be identified (§1367.1(c)(2)). However, before the lien is recorded, the association must meet with an owner “in executive session” to discuss payment plans if they are timely requested and available. Further, at various points in the foreclosure process, the owner has the right to request mediation or arbitration, proceedings which are generally confidential and must be confidential if requested by the owner in the context of a disciplinary hearing. All this confidentiality implies that an owner's financial status is sensitive and private.

The Fair Debt Collection Practices Act

The FDCPA is a federal law that regulates the collection of debts which can include assessments. The law does not generally apply to restrict how creditors (like an association) collect their own debts but does impose restrictions on third party collections. In a particular case, this may or may not include an association's lawyer or manager. It is very likely that the publication of a list of delinquent owners would be contrary to the privacy protections contained in the FDCPA.

Right to Privacy

“Defamation” is basically oral (“Slander”) or written (“Libel) statements that are intended to injure someone's reputation. We've all heard the phrase “truth is a defense” to defamation claims but this is inaccurate when it comes to the publication of “private facts”. The first California case to acknowledge a right of privacy, decided in 1931, upheld a claim based on the publication of private facts. The California constitution now gives our citizens a right to privacy. The main question is whether the facts are private and not of legitimate public concern and if publication to a specific group for a specific purpose would be privileged under §47(c). In one homeowner association case, the court recognized the members have an expectation of privacy when it comes to the casting of ballots (Chantiles v. Lake Forest II Master Homeowners Association (1995) 37 Cal.App.4th 914); it is easy to imagine a court would extend this rationale to financial relations between an owner and their association and that breach of the privacy expectation would support claims against the association and others who participated in the publication.

Fiduciary Duty

Directors should act in good faith in ways intended to benefit the community. A board must weigh the pros and cons and risks and benefits of a particular action before authorizing it. Is it really likely that those owning homes whose debt exceeds value are likely to be shamed into paying association assessments by putting their names in the newsletter? Will publishing the names of owners who have vacated their homes motivate them to pay a debt? If they have left no forwarding address and thus are not likely to receive the newsletter, what possibly motivating criteria could justify publication? Is there a risk of wrongly publishing the names of owners who are current or who have cured the delinquency? Does publication for a family already desperate create a risk of litigation (which might not be covered under a “D&O policy)? Is the community benefited by knowing who is delinquent versus the amount of the collective receivables and steps the board is taking to address cash flow problems? Does publication breed support for positive approaches to the economic crisis?

The answer to these questions is “no”. There are allot of reasons why an association should not publish the names of delinquent owners. Doing so is probably contrary to statutes and the state constitutional right to privacy, doing so subjects the association, directors and managers to risks of claims; can create anger and division in the community; and isn't really likely to work. As we've written before and addressed at our recent seminar, there are many positive things an association can do to overcome the current economic crisis; things that can reduce receivables and expenses and garner respect for the board and the association. As to publication of debtor's names, as Nancy Reagan famously said in another context: “Just say no”.
ReeseR (California)
Posts: 7
Posted:
Thanks for the information.

There is a lot to think about. However, that all applied to publishing names, not unit numbers. It actually says that you cannot publish names and not unit numbers.

Not everybody who is not paying are struggling. Some new owners are not paying.
DanaB1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 319
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By ReeseR on 05/22/2009 9:50 AM
Do you know if the HOA is allowed to mail owners lists of names of people who are delinquent? From what I can garner, it's legal but it's a gray area. I heard that publishing deliquent unit numbers rather than names could be better.

And that the lists can only go to homeowners, not renters and shoudl not be posted anywhere, only mailed.

Anybody know about this?

We have $160,000 in delinquencies. Over half our complex is not paying. Thanks.

Reese, not for nothing but I think if I had half my association not paying their fees and I was $160,000 short the last thing I'd be asking would be if I can list their names!

Are you sure you don't want to ask any other questions? Like, "How do I get my members, new and old to pay their fees?" or "Does anyone know attorney that goes by the nick name of "Pit Bull"?

Good luck Reese. Wow, am I glad I don't live in California. I have one unit in arrears and they're at the attorney.

Dana
AnnJ2 (Colorado)
Posts: 120
Posted:
We advise our boards to avoid the possible backlash of publishing names or addresses and when the board asks that this information be published in a mail out for example that they use our internal accoutn codes which do not necessarily transnlate into lot numbers but often do. And the individual amounts.
DwightT (Idaho)
Posts: 664
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By AnnJ2 on 05/23/2009 5:30 AM
We advise our boards to avoid the possible backlash of publishing names or addresses

Unfortunately, when it comes to debt collection, it doesn't matter if you publish names, file liens, or go to court in order to collect. There will be backlash no matter what method you use. Some will pay up, others will dig in their heels and be as obstinate as possible.

However, I agree with the others. Publishing names or even just unit numbers of the deadbeats really won't get you anywhere. We just follow our normal procedure: demand letter when 60 days past due, file in small claims at 90 days. We probably only have to actually go to court for about 1%.

And no pool privileges for anyone with a balance due unless payment arrangements have been made. At the start of pool registration we had about 5% outstanding for this year. Several of those paid up yesterday when they saw the pool open.

DanaB1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 319
Posted:
Dwight, is that how it's done in Idaho? Associations just take the owners to small claims court? Do the associations always win in those cases? And do you get all owed fees and fines?

I don't know of any associations in Ct. that go the small claims court route, we just all hand them over to the attorney.

Interesting.

How do some of you others do it?
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Reese,

IF, as you say, many of the delinquent members are new owners, perhaps the board needs to educate these people. Although everyone should receive the gov docs, at least at closing, many new member neglect to read them. These new members may not be aware of the consequences of not paying their assessments (such as foreclosure). In fact, I think it's a good idea to inform the whole membership from time to time what the exact consequences are if assessments are not paid on time. Make certain everyone has a copy of the board-adopted collection policy (I sure hope your board has one!) and understands exactly what each step to be take means.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
We can do small claims with delinquent assessments in Kentucky.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Is there any state where you cannot go to small claims to collect delinquent assessments, as long as the amount owed is not higher than the limit for small claims??? The thing is that even if a judgment is ordered against the h/o, it still has to be paid! The h/o can choose to just ignore the judgment, right?
DwightT (Idaho)
Posts: 664
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By DanaB1 on 05/23/2009 9:13 AM
Dwight, is that how it's done in Idaho? Associations just take the owners to small claims court? Do the associations always win in those cases? And do you get all owed fees and fines?

I guess it's not mandatory that we go through small claims, but filing a lien against the property doesn't do us much good. A lien filed with the county recorder is only good for one year, and can only be renewed once. On the other hand, we do have an automatic lien against the property, so title companies won't transfer the title until the dues are paid.

With small claims though we can get a judgement against the property owner, so even if the bank forecloses on the property we can in theory still collect (at least until the owner files bankruptcy). A court judgement is good for 5 years, and we can renew it as many times as it takes. Plus once we have the judgement, we can proceed with debtors exam to find out what assets or income they have and seize those assets or garnish their wages.

It's not completely no-risk. There are costs involved since we typically turn it all over to an attorney after we have won the judgement. Even though his fees are added on to what the homeowners owes, it's still possible that the owner will just drop out of site without paying. We have had one do that. But there is a warrant out for his arrest because of that, so if he gets pulled over for a speeding ticket, his bail will be for at least what he owes us.

Winning the case: most of them are default judgements since the owner typically doesn't bother to respond to the summons. But even if they do contest it, as long as we can show that the CC&Rs state that we are entitled to collect dues and that we have followed the procedure for collecting, we shouldn't have a problem. We haven't lost any yet.

Always collect? It may take some time and persistence, but we collect more than we do by just writing it off. Since less than 1% actually gets to the attorney stage (most pay once they receive the summons), just having and following the procedure is the important thing.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Dwight,

You can get a judgment if the lien isn't paid! Then if the prop owner still doesn't pay up you can get a default judgment. After that it's either garnishment of wages of go for foreclosure.
ReeseR (California)
Posts: 7
Posted:
Hi Dana-- I did ask on a separate thread about collecting on liens.

I am trying to address large and small ways to help get people to pay up.
ReeseR (California)
Posts: 7
Posted:
Hi Dana-- I did ask on a separate thread about collecting on liens.

I am trying to address large and small ways to help get people to pay up.
AnnJ2 (Colorado)
Posts: 120
Posted:
in order to make the owner feel like they are in charge and getting a deal we let them talk us out of late fees and interest once paid in full. that money is "gravy" anyway and should not be a part of the budget for income to meet known or anticipated expenses. this helps get them in the game, then we require any payment agreement or pay off if we remove those fees also provides for ACH payments. Takes the control for making that payment out of the owner's hands and into ours. Then if they bounce it is now a legal matter that can be sent to court and collected at 3 times face plus fees. We do not remind them of this on the front end with the ACH, but if they bounce we must advise at that time.
DanaB1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 319
Posted:
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Posted By ReeseR on 05/23/2009 8:49 PM
Hi Dana-- I did ask on a separate thread about collecting on liens.

I am trying to address large and small ways to help get people to pay up.

I gotcha Reese. I'll look for it. It just seemed like you had bigger fish to fry then posting the delinquent names. ;-)

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