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JimK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Hello, I was wondering if there was any laws or rules that would effect me if I had one of our personal cars Wrapped advertizing my company. I have heard both yes and no. Can someone give me a better idea of the rule?
WilliamT (Arizona)
Posts: 489
Posted:
This would be addressed in your CC&R's.

Ours says that no vehicle may be parked in sight that has advertising on it. It can be parked in the garage or behind a fence in the side yard as long as it's not visible to a neighboring property.

Yours may not have that restriction. I would check the documents and also ask the BOD to make sure you haven't missed it. If they say you cannot have a vehicle with advertising parked in sight of neighbors, then ask for them to site the article and paragraph number for your reference.

The documents govern. The BOD cannot act in contradiction to the documents.

William
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Jim:

William is right, our neighborhood doesn't have that restriction, but if yours does then you need to play by the rules.
JosephW (Michigan)
Posts: 882
Posted:
Most association documents prohibit commercial vehicles from parking on the ommon areas or that are visible. You need to check the specific wording of your documents. If you have a garage and park it inside, there probably will be no problem, unless you leave it in the driveway or on the street for any period of time.

Usually the only exceptions are for police and emergency vehicles, and a vehicle used as an advertising venue wouldn't qualify for that.

If your vehicle has to be parked outside, I would consider getting one of those magnetic signs that you could remove each evening.

In any event, I wouldn't spend the money on getting the car wrapped until you had a letter from the board stating it was OK and under what conditions.

Joe

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JulieS (Georgia)
Posts: 412
Posted:
Our covenants read that no commercial vehicle will be parked in the driveway. Our problem: what defines a commercial vehicle? Is it a large truck, vehicle with logos, etc.? As long as you park in the garage, I don't see where it would be a problem. Always better to find out first before spending the money and having the hassle...check with your BOD and get it in writing.
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
a commercial vehicle is one licensed as such by the state.
GeraldT1 (<Not Specified>)
Posts: 519
Posted:
BrianB,

Just to be literal, a commercial vehicle is more than one licensed as such. It is one that meets the critera and is defined as such. The definition may vary state to state.

For example, Missouri defines it as "a motor vehicle designed or regularly used for carrying freight and merchandise, or more than eight passengers but not including vanpools or shuttle buses."

A general definition is that it meets 1 of 3 criteria:
1) Greater than 21 feet in length
2) Greater than 102 inches wide
3) Weighted as over 10,000lbs. gross vehicle weight, and not liscenced as a recreational vehicle.

Vermont's weight criteria is over 26,001 lbs, carrying over 16 or more passengers, any vehicle designed to carry harzodous materials.

Interesting is that I see nothing about advertisements in relation to the definition of commercial vehicles.

So JimK needs to look at how his state defines commerical vehicles.

GeraldT1
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JulieS (Georgia)
Posts: 412
Posted:
I asked our attorney what defines a commercial vehicle and couldn't get a response. Is it the vehicle with logos, the pick-up truck with ladder racks and ladders used for construction, the weight restriction by the state, or how about the small silver sandwich box truck we used to have? Logically, a commercial vehicle seems to be anything used for business and not personal use. It's just one of those vague things that needs to be described more I guess. Fortunately, we have not been challenged on it...yet.
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
Also remember, when you ban cars with advertising, you may have to include many many bumper stickers. Those are advertising too, in many cases. Also, some license plate frames have dealer's names on them, which would be advertising, and many cars now come with a dealer's name attached to the trunk in chrome letters, which is also advertisement. All of which would have to be removed, unless you write the ban carefully.

And if you ban a vehicle because it is used in commerce, then the Avon lady's car must go, as well as the realtor's SUV, etc..

CharlesW1 (Georgia)
Posts: 826
Posted:
It appears that you have gotten some very good advice. I would of course check with the current BOD and get the approval in writing before getting the vehicle “wrapped” I don’t see any problem with the “wrap” if it’s not seen from any of the neighboring houses. If it is in the garage then I think it would be fine.
I know many of the CC&R, by-laws have some rules that state no vehicle can be parked in the driveway, or sit for x number of hours or over night. You would have to read your governing documents, CC&Rs or by-laws (very carefully) pertaining to your community.
You may want to consider getting (what someone else had written as a response) a removable magnetic business sign. If your BOD can show you the rule that states you can not have the “wrap” under any circumstance what so even, then I would consider the sign. I know it may not sound fair. But you must understand that the rules if stated applies to everyone as a whole not just one person in particular. They don’t want to discriminate against any one person! Unfortunately to may not but someone else may be offended by the content of your business. I know there are probably hundreds of companies that wouldn't offend many but then again what if………

I guess I would ask first, and then get it in writing. After you ensure that you won’t be in violation. I would then proceed. I wouldn’t waste my time or my money, if you are only going to receive violation notices, then fines until corrected, which will potentially cost you more money and time. Nothing good can come on this if you proceed without caution.

Chuck W.

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