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KellyH (California)
Posts: 3
Posted:
I live in Mountain View, CA. Our condos are freestanding, no shared common walls. Recently, one unit's pipes leaked and caused severe damage. Now, my HOA wants to impose a special assessment to collect $8000.00 from each of the 46 units. $4700.00 is to repipe and the rest is to build reserve to "50%." In the letter I just received, it stated that we will need to vote on this and if it does not pass our dues will go from $280./month to $350./month. It further states that increases like this will continue to follow each year. If it does pass, we can expect smaller increases. Also, the money will be due ASAP. If we need to make payments on the special assessment, the HOA will charge 7% interest until paid. There is no loan from the bank. Can they do this?
CharlesW1 (Georgia)
Posts: 826
Posted:
KellyH,

Wouldn’t homeowners insurance cover something like that? I’m not 100% sure but, I would think that that the Homeowner would be responsible.

I wouldn’t think the association would be responsible for that. That wouldn’t make much sense to me. If they are responsible for the damages, maybe I should sell my house and live in a condo.

I’m sure you will get the information you are looking for here at HOATalk.
You will receive some very knowledgeable advice from many of the people that post on this discussion board.

Best of luck
Chuck W.

Charles E. Wafer Jr.
GeraldT1 (<Not Specified>)
Posts: 519
Posted:
KellyH,

The damange seems to have occurred by the unit's pipe leak. However, you did not state what common element outside the unit was damaged. Please explain.

Your governing documents/Master Deed should outline what is a common element, a limited common element, what is not covered by the association, and responsibility of everything else.

$8,000.00 is $173.91 per unit owner, not the end of the world. However, if the element damaged was caused by a pipe leak inside a unit, fault/liability would seem to me to be the unit owner, not the other 45 owners.

The association's insurance policy needs to be reviewed to see what is covered, and what is not.

There's a California state law Davis Sterling Act go to the following link: http://www.davis-stirling.com and read Article 4 Assessments, and the sections it references.

Best of luck,
GeraldT1
NNJ

HaroldS (Arizona)
Posts: 906
Posted:
I read Kelly said $8000 from EACH unit. Sounds like they are going to re-pipe the whole place and build up a reserve they never had. An Arizona condo made the news recently because they were going to raise the monthly dues $500. Frankly I wonder why anyone would live in a condo. You are too much at the mercy of poor judgement and planning. At least in a single family home you are responsible to yourself for fixing and planning. None of these sudden surprise assessments. Harold
GeraldT1 (<Not Specified>)
Posts: 519
Posted:
HaroldS,

You are correct, the assessment is $8,000.00 each, my mistake, Kelly needs to provides specifics of the damage to adequately provide her a response to the situation.

As for why anyone would live in a condo, there are numerous benefits that mostly revolve around the collective bargaining power of a group of owners, and a lifestyle that can be more hands free. For example, my monthly dues are $152.00, that nets me zero responsibility to maintain the outside of my unit, including the roof, the grass, the mulch, the snow removal of my driveway, front walk, landing, the gutters, the siding, the painting, the power washing and seal coating of my deck, the pruning of my shrubs, the replacement of all elements on the outside of my unit (except the door and windows). The $152/month also includes (are you sitting down) the complete replacement of the entire unit's interior in the event of loss, no joke. My COA has extremely comprehensive insurance requirements stipulated in our governing documents. That means every upgrade (granite, cabinets, hardwood floor, sheetrock, lighting, upgraded tile, wood trim, upgraded carpets as originally conveyed to me are covered at market value at the time of replacement. Most COA's insurance only cover builder standard (formica, lenoleum, etc.) and the unit owner has to kick in the difference between standard and the upgrade. That is not the case in my COA, and it is an extremely huge selling tool.

So Harold, for $1,824.00 per year, I as a condo owner get all that. How much do you, or any single family home owner pay a year for all this?

As for planning, and timeliness of repair/fix you have a very strong argument against living in a poorly run COA. If you are fortunate to have a responsible board and management company, than the benefit of COA living is huge. If not, then buyer beware.

GeraldT1
NNJ
KellyH (California)
Posts: 3
Posted:
The letter I received on Friday from AMC stated..."galvanized steel pipes (old pipes)are corroding in the walls of every unit and failed in one unit causing disastrous results." Further stating the detached unit was "flooded by thousands of gallons of water," and needed "removal of flooring, cabinets, and drywall" causing "several weeks of dryout time" which now required "repiping and putting the unit back together." They said that our insurance company would "probably" drop us if another unit floods.

I have no problem with this claim. My problem begins here...

The mgmt company wrote "The choices boil down to this: 1)Levy a special assessment on all owners and repipe ASAP or 2)aggressively increase dues for the next several years and repipe over the course of years." It also stated, "The Reserve Study recently done say we only have 15% of recommended savings" so they are asking for $8000.00 total from each unit (4700.00 for repiping.)

This is where I really disagree...The mgmt company now says, "Our bookkeeper would arrange a payment plan with a reasonable interest rate for theose who cannot pay the entire amount up front." They also mention that "Legally, we can raise dues 25% a year if the special assessment is not approved."

Is this blackmail??

1366.1 says--Associations may not impose or collect an assessment or fee that exceeds the amount necessary to defray the cost which is levied--so, can the charge interest? What can they legally do?

FYI-I have no problem being re-piped, but I don't like being bullied. Am I out of line?

Thank you all for listening.
GeraldT1 (<Not Specified>)
Posts: 519
Posted:
KellyH,

1) How old is your development? This could be very important information for various reasons regarding Transition and Reserve Studies.

2) Doing the project on a mass scale is in everyone's best interests because it can reduce the overall cost, and get's all the deficient piping corrected.

3) Why did the pipes fail so soon, who was inspecting the pipes so as to be compliant? Or is your development older and the galvanized piping was acceptable at the time.

4) More important question is, if failure was not premature, why were your reserves not more adequately funded to replace the common element?

5) When was the first Reserve Study done?

6) A payment system is in everyone's best interests, the management company offerring one could be a blessing, but funding is at the decision of the owners. If the interest charged is better than or equal the marketplace, the management company is helping, not hurting. If the interest is more, than shame on the owners for accepting the offer.

Best of luck!!
GeraldT1
NNJ
JosephW (Michigan)
Posts: 882
Posted:
You're not being blackmailed, they stated the various options available and picked one, which is what the board is supposed to do.

As for the interest, check the bylaw that deals with assessment collection, it will probably state that assessments in arrears can be charged interest. Since the assessment is due all at once, installment payment programs are essentially "in arrears".

They are correct about insurance. Once a claim has been made on an item that is likely to occur in other units, if the association doesn't ake immediate steps to recitfy it, the policy is likely to be dropped or you will see a huge premium increase. In Michigan we have ice dams, which cause leaks through the roof into units. If an association files a claim for ice dams, and then does nothing to prevent a re-occurence, they have been looking at a 300-400% premium increase, and with damage from ice dams excluded. To me, the probablility of future leaks is the reason for haste and making complete repairs.

It looks like they finally got an actual reserve study, so they're probably looking at even more expenses coming up soon.

The serious question is why they opted not to borrow the funds as an association?

Joe

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