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MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Thought you'd all be interested in reading this article written by a well known AZ HOA attorney.

I was not aware of the legal definition of "acknowledge". I find this very interesting.

HOAs must know amendment processes
2 commentsby Curtis Ekmark - Apr. 25, 2009 12:00 AM
The Arizona Republic
Associations should be very careful when amending their documents.

First, there may be a different amendment process for each particular document. Thus, one must not assume that the amendment process with respect to the declaration is the same as the amendment process with respect to the bylaws. There is no substitute for reviewing each particular document.

The exact wording of the amendment provision must be analyzed very carefully. For example, there is a difference between "75 percent of the owners" and "owners of 75 percent of the lots." If a person owns multiple lots, he or she would still only have one vote if you are counting owners, but he or she would have multiple votes if you were counting lots.
Also, be aware that certain terms may have a legal meaning.

For example, if the owners need to "acknowledge" the amendment, then the signatures need to be notarized. We have seen several associations spend a significant amount of time collecting signatures only to find out later that the amendment was not valid because the signatures were not notarized.

In summary, amending the declaration may, in some cases, make the community a better place.

However, before embarking on the amendment process, the association should fully understand the process and the legal ramifications.

Attorney Curtis Ekmark of Ekmark and Ekmark in Scottsdale focuses on association law. He is president of the Scottsdale Council of Homeowners Associations and vice president of West Valley Homeowner Associations.

CharlesH9 (Michigan)
Posts: 123
Posted:
Our situation exactly regarding the different amendment processes.
BarbaraP3 (Maryland)
Posts: 90
Posted:
Posted By MaryA1 on 4/26/2009 1:27:49 PM

For example, there is a difference between "75 percent of the owners" and "owners of 75 percent of the lots." If a person owns multiple lots, he or she would still only have one vote if you are counting owners, but he or she would have multiple votes if you were counting lots.

WOW, I would have never realized the difference in interpretation! But after reading both statements together I can see the difference.

Also, our Declarations amendment section does not state "acknowledge" by owners...it states:

"duly executed by the requisite number of members required to effect such amendment"

Do you think "duly exected" mean notarized?

Barb

MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Barb,

I've searched and searched by can't find a legal definition of "duly executed", however, I do have a feeling that it may mean the same. Sorry!
JamesM14 (Delaware)
Posts: 17
Posted:
In my opinion, "duly executed" simply means executed in accordance with the governing documents, i.e., state law, covenants & bylaws.
KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MaryA1 on 04/26/2009 1:27 PM

The exact wording of the amendment provision must be analyzed very carefully. For example, there is a difference between "75 percent of the owners" and "owners of 75 percent of the lots." If a person owns multiple lots, he or she would still only have one vote if you are counting owners, but he or she would have multiple votes if you were counting lots.


I am wondering if this logic would also apply to an ammendment that states an owner is obligated to pay an assessment, rather than the lot having an obligation.

JamesM14 (Delaware)
Posts: 17
Posted:
Our covenants state that the personal obligation of the owner to pay an assessment shall remain the personal obligation and shall not pass to his successors in title (other than as a lien on the land) unless expressly assumed by them.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
James,

I just hate all the legal mumbo-jumbo, don't you? Here's my take on it. When title passes on, the new owner assumes the personal obligation to pay the assessment by virtue of now being a member of the assn. Perhaps this clause means that whatever was owed by the former owner does not pass on to the new owner.
JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 967
Posted:
Mary writes:

>>>I just hate all the legal mumbo-jumbo, don't you?<<<

Esq., Jr.:

Statements like that could get your membership in the JBA terminated. As Christian (Mel Gibson) said to Bligh (Tony Hopkins) in "The Bounty" after Bligh queries about the "rumblings" amongst the crew following their departure from Tahiti-nui:

"It's not a threat. It's a warning."

MaryN3 (Virginia)
Posts: 8
Posted:
And here's another twist. We've gone the court route...and we are a voluntary association. We went thru District Court(the BOD appealed)..then onto Circuit Court. There association has no legal Declaration(VA Supreme Court ruling defines specifically what a declaration must be..Dogwood Valley Case)...yet each of our deeds contain a covenant that each parcel will share equally in the road maintenance. The court has ruled that each lot will pay equally and it's a voluntary membership association..but if some property owners wish to become mandatory members they can do so by signing an agreement...the Judge stated that and it's in his orders, but not in his orders is the discussion about it taking 100% of the subdivision property owners to agree to change..if it's done by changing the covenants..which is what the BOD tried to do with a majority vote. Now..the BOD just sent out bills...members will pay $200 because they get to use the money in the reserve fund..which we have all paid into for years...and non members will have to pay more than $500..the actual road fees..and I guess the money to pay for the Associations legal bills are coming out of the reserve fund which there is no authority to spend. Do you think we're probably going back to court? I for one am so sick and tired of this nonsense. I used to believe in HOA's, but after this...never again.
KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
Posted:
I don't see how the members are paying equally when they are subsidized by the HOA... what happens when the reserve fund runs out?

I hate legalese too. It's like a never ending quest to tie up loose ends. Every time a law is written, there is always several loopholes that are exploited and need to be fixed!
EllenS1 (Florida)
Posts: 1,148
Posted:
Our docs clearly state that the unpaid assesssment does not pass to the new owner. However, any reputable closing agent should have found this out and taken the assessment(s) out of the cash received by the seller.
JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 967
Posted:
Ellen,

We go a few steps further.

Our docs make the buyer AND seller liable for unpaid dues or assessments, plus we have a Confession of Judgment clause (printed in all CAPS!) in which the owner gives us their Power of Attorney to collect however we choose.

So, yes, these things are easily resolved at closing.

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