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GraceH (Virginia)
Posts: 224
Posted:
On March 3, 2009 in a meeting I had with the PM, 2 Board Members and 1 Home Owner representative, I asked for the last names of the association employees as we only have the PMs. The PM asked me why I wanted that information and I told her that hers was the only one that anyone seems to know and we are entitled to at least know their last names. The PM told me that they were doing Bio.s' for the upcoming newsletter and their last names would be in that. Well we have not had the newsletter as the person that does it, lost track of time. As of yesterday, we have a web site that is up and running with the association employees Bio.s' with no last name except for the PM.

In reading the VA Condominium Act it does mention being entitled to "addresses and aggregate salary information of the unit owners association employees", however I do not see anything on last names.

Is it possible that we are entitled to their address but not their last name?
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Are these employees of the ASSOCIATION or the property management company?

GraceH (Virginia)
Posts: 224
Posted:
Michele ,
Thank you for responding.
These are association employees. The PM is an individual, She has been there 18 years, the Assistant PM, is her daughter who has been there 12 years the Office Manager no relation has been there 7 and the Maintenance man whom has been there 6 years is the Asst. PMs boyfriend.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
She doesn't get to decide, then, whose names, first, last or otherwise, you get to know.

If they are employees, or contractors, of the association, it boggles the mind that she gets to "gatekeep" their names/identities!
GraceH (Virginia)
Posts: 224
Posted:
I know, especially that the maintenance man occasionally needs to enter homes.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Grace,

Apparently she signs their payroll checks? How would not the Board know the names of it's employees? Who is paying their S.S taxes and insurances? Just put her n notice or better yet, why not just ask these people what the heck their names are.Once you get them, put her on notice that she is not working in the best interest of the association. I never heard of anything this rediculous.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Just another example of this BOD allowing the PM to run the show. Why would she object to telling the names of the employees anyhow? Is she afraid someone might find out something she is trying to hide? When people are secretive it sends the message that something is fishy in Denmark, if you know what I mean!

I think the BOD should check around with mgmt company's and find out what the monthly fee would be to manage the assn. They might find they're spending way too much money by having their own employees. Having their own employees, the HOA is obligated to pay FICA, unemployment, and perhaps health insurance on top of the salary. IMO, it's certainly worth checking out.
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
the names of the employees of the HOA should be part of the business records of the HOA.. as stated, you are writing checks, paying taxes, work comp, insurance perhaps. a simple audit of the HOA books, which any member can (and should) initiate, should turn up the information in a matter of minutes, maybe an hour.

GraceH (Virginia)
Posts: 224
Posted:
Mary,
You are right. We have been saying that we need to look at options however, until the Board sees any of this, we will just keep chugging along.

The PM does not want to give the last names because it is me asking. If I would have asked 2 years ago, there would have been no problems. I do not know why I did not ask, but I did not.

We do pay for their health insurance completely. Government jobs don't even do that.
We pay these employees over $265,000.00 and that is not including the extras such as the $2,500.00 bonus for maintenance, the compensations that are hidden in the job description, sick time, vacation, all Holidays, comp. time. To me it just seems excessive as the property has deteriorated over the past several years.
GraceH (Virginia)
Posts: 224
Posted:
Donna,
Thank you for responding.
The PM does all of the finances. I do not think the board was aware that they should be keeping an eye on things at the least.

What do you mean put her on notice? She does not care when we have found that she does not follow the By-Laws, she denies when put on the spot about something that she said. There has been no accountability or consequences for anything she does.
GraceH (Virginia)
Posts: 224
Posted:
Brian,
Thank you for responding.
All of the items you mentioned, the PM does. Next month we are to have a copy of the audit however from looking at what the PM said was the last completed audit done in 2003 no names or company names are in it. just an Auditors Report. And I am sure that this new CPA will not have their companies name or contact info on it since I had called the old one. The PM will not give me names of companies she said because "You call around". Yes my requests were ignored, I called around.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Grace -IMHO the PM should not be releasing ANY names - board, employees, members, or staff.

The Board treasurer should have all this info. Get it from her/him.

The PM has been put into this middle of this needlessly.

GraceH (Virginia)
Posts: 224
Posted:
Susan,
Thank you for your response.
We are working on the Board having the info however as of yet the PM is the only one that knows anything.

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