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EdieL (Virginia)
Posts: 86
Posted:
In our covenants, it requires that an above ground propane
tank to be screened from view (ie: Plants). At a meeting of the
BOD, by BOD full vote, a motion was made to allow lattice to be
used in lieu of plants. Motion approved. 5 days later the BOD,
as stated in a second draft of meeting minutes, it was stated
that the BOD, via e-mail, rescinded their vote on the motion.
Can they rescinded a motion in this fashion? Within these 5 days
3 property owners complied with screening by installing lattice.
There was a home in our community, 12 years ago, that received
BOD permission for lattice.
Edie
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
EdieL, the Board can always take a vote which countermands a previous vote. But, the motion they passed remains in effect until recinded by another vote. If during those 5 days you referenced the owners received approval for and screened with a lattice then the Board should not ask them replace it.
EdieL (Virginia)
Posts: 86
Posted:
Rodger, thank you for your response. BOD's most times
think because they are on the board, they are the board.
However a Corporate HOA and the BOD of that corporation
does not change. Past and present directors/officers come and go.
Shouldn't the current BOD abide by want the BOD did in the past.
IE: lattice used and approved. I think new BOD members don't
take the time to research pasted action/approvals.
Edie
JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 967
Posted:
I agree with Roger. And also, lattice is just as good as landscaping to accomplish the task.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Edie,

It would be a wonderful world if the current BOD agreed with everything the previous BOD did; but it just doesn't always happen. However, with regard to changing architectural standards, anyone who had lattice approved in the past should be grandfathered in, now that lattice is forbidden. This is a board-adopted rule that can be changed as the board members change and of course the members must be informed of this change.
DorothyO (Washington)
Posts: 293
Posted:
Edie,

If special permission was granted twelve years ago to allow a single homeowner lattice, there have been no lattices since, and twelve years later it's motioned and approved to include lattices "in lieu of plants," (CC&R language), it would seem that this is a CC&R issue.

How can the Board vote to amend a covenant?

Dorothy
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Did your CCR say ONLY plant screening?
.
I'm not sure if your board had the authority to even add or change the screening.
Do your documents say the board has this power/

What was the reason that the motion was recinded/

MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Edie,

I was under the impression you were talking about a board-adopted rule. Do the CCRs specifically state what type of screening or just say it must be screened? If the specific type of screening is stated in the CCRs then the board cannot change it; only a vote of the members to amend that CCR provision can change it. That's why I thought you were referring to a board-adopted rule to define the type of screening that would be allowed. This would be a rule to interpret the CCR restriction. In most CCRs, the BOD is given the authority to interpret CCR provisions as long as their interpretation does not change the meaning of the restriction and doesn't violate any other restrictions or laws.
EdieL (Virginia)
Posts: 86
Posted:
CCR's state " appropriately screened by shrubbery so as not to
be visible from any road or neighboring lot."
Edie
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Edie,

Well, there's your answer. The BOD cannot change this requirement; it's in the CCRs. That may be the reason the BOD rescinded the motion to change this requirement. They realized they do not have the authority to make this change. But, even if they didn't rescind the motion, it would not be legal. Anyone could challenge it in a court of law and the assn would most likely lose. IMO, they were wise to rescind the motion.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By EdieL on 04/18/2009 9:16 AM
CCR's state " appropriately screened by shrubbery so as not to be visible from any road or neighboring lot." Edie

Edie's post illustrates why it is critical to read and accurately state CC&Rs. The above quote is considerably different than the original post "an above ground propane tank to be screened from view (ie: Plants)"
DorothyO (Washington)
Posts: 293
Posted:
So the Board violated the covenants twelve years ago. They violated the covenants again. Now they have to figure out how to handle the three homeowners actions of purchasing and installing the lattices based on the Board's errant direction. Do they hold a Special Meeting pronto to try to amend the CC&R's, and hope they get the required percentage to do so? If that doesn't work, do they grandfather in these three lattices, no doubt, much to the chagrin of homeowners who were perhaps planning their own lattices but weren't quick enough. Do they require the homeowners to remove the lattices, and then compensate them? 'Tis a donnybrooke indeed, and all because the Board did not understand or chose to ignore their own covenants. Tsk. Tsk.

Dorothy
EdieL (Virginia)
Posts: 86
Posted:
RogerB, While I understand your comment and appreciate it,
My original post screened from view(ie:plants)
vs. ccr's screened by shubbery. It's all green, not
lattice. I don't understand your point.
Edie
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Dorothy, I suggest the Board may have the authority to waive those violation of the CC&Rs for which the Board errored. If the Board member who is enforcing the restrictions does not know the restrictions then another Board member should be assigned the job or else hire a professional MA to enforce restrictions.

Edie, screened from view would allow the Board to create a guideline for the ACC to define what type screening was allowable. Whereas screened by shrubbery is specific and does not allow the Board to clarify further.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Roger,

Don't you know that when one digs there's always more dirt to be found! LOL
JeffT (Maryland)
Posts: 83
Posted:
So a board put out a rule and allowed other improvements that were in direct conflict with the CCR's. Owner went with the new rules while they were in effect for the short period of time. Who pays to have the Lattice removed? Is the BOD responsible for paying for the materials that the owners bought when they thought this was a sanctioned rule? Is this just tough luck for the owner or are they entitled to keep it?

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