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MaureenM1 (PA)
Posts: 344
Posted:
I just received an email from the board that we are having cash flow problems and want to impose a special assessment to
cover the unpaid bills or take monies from our Reserve fund.

This is my question...is the developer responsible to pay maintenance fees on unsold lots? We have 14 unsold lots in our development. As it stands now the developer does not pay fees on these lots. The lots have been unsold for years. We have been maintaining
our 209 budget on 28 homes sold and from 2005-2008 less than that.

I have read my CCRs and do not see anything about the developer paying fees on unsold lots. The developer has been
dragging his heels on completing this development and now with the declining housing market it is even slower. (we are still under
declarant control) Should the developer be paying on the unsold lots?

Any advice on this question would be appreciated.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Maureen,

If it isn't stated that he is resp. for assessments on unsold lots then that means he isn't. If he were I would think it would be addressed in the same section that talks about the resp. of members to pay assessments. However, since you are still under declarant control, he should be making up any shortfalls in the operating fund. It's called "doing business"! If it were me, I would be checking with the State department that oversees construction of undeveloped land to make certain this is true. In AZ it's the Real Estate Department.

By no means should monies be taken out of the reserve fund and transferred into the operating fund, unless those monies are being used for reserve fund expenditures.
MaureenM1 (PA)
Posts: 344
Posted:
Thanks Mary. I will check into it.
HowieI1 (Tennessee)
Posts: 9
Posted:
Actually, it all depends on how your Declaration is written. If the wording is something like "assessments will be levied on all lots" or on all"units", then, unless there is an exception built in for the developer he would owe just as everyone else. Common misunderstanding amongst developers - unless they are specifically exempted or excluded, they pay.
MaureenM1 (PA)
Posts: 344
Posted:
My CCR's state under Assessments and Enforcement...

All Common Expense assessments made in order to meet the requirements of the Associations annual budget shall be deemed
to be adopted and assessed on a monthly basis. Special assessments shall be due and payable in one or more monthly payments
in advance, onthe first day of each month as determined by the Executive Board.

(doesn't say anything specifically about the developer)
MaureenM1 (PA)
Posts: 344
Posted:
My CCR's state under Assessments and Enforcement...

All Common Expense assessments made in order to meet the requirements of the Associations annual budget shall be deemed
to be adopted and assessed on a monthly basis. Special assessments shall be due and payable in one or more monthly payments
in advance, onthe first day of each month as determined by the Executive Board.

(doesn't say anything specifically about the developer)
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Maureen,

This is how my CCRs read, under "Assessments. Section 1. Creation of Lien and Personal Obligation of Assessments. The declarant, for each lot owned by the declarant, hereby covenants and agrees, and each owner, orhter than the declarant, by becoming the owner of a lot, is deemed to covenant and agree, to pay asessments and charges to the assn in accordance wth this declaration." Then under Section 3. Rate of Assessment, it explains how much each lot will be assessed and what it boils down to is the unimproved lots are assessed a % of the assessment for an improved lot (a lot on which a dwelling unit has been completed). IMO, this clearly states the declarant shall pay an assessment on all unimproved lots. However, I know some CCRs are not this clear and explicit. The CCRs of my former assn do clearly state whether or not the declarant is obligated to pay assessments on all the unimproved lots. IMO, if it's not clearly stated in the CCRs that he has this obligation then the BOD cannot just decide that he must pay the assessments. The BOD does not have the authority to make a rule regarding a matter that is not already addressed in the CCRs.
MaureenM1 (PA)
Posts: 344
Posted:
Our management company wants to use reserve funds to pay bills, ie snow removal. The management company was selected by our board president who is also the builder and declarant. We are under declarant control. He has asked me and our other board member our opinion, however, he can make the final decision. We live here, he doesn't.

He is the builder and the declarant and has two family members (out of 5) on the board. W Myself and my neighbor who are also on the board (elected by the residents) are in the minority. The developer is another company so I don't get how he is not in control and the builder is???

Our declarant is definitely not looking out for the best interest of the development. He owns and rents 35% of the development which with the new Fannie Mae/mortgage rules makes it more difficult for buyers to get mortages.

Anyway, I see your point that since we are still under declarant control he should be responsible for this shortage. It is not clear in our CCRs that he is responsible to pay maintenance on unsold lots. Unsold lots is not mentioned at all in the CCRs.If he did have that responsibility this development would have been sold faster since it's only 40 homes and it started in 2005 (before the housing crash).

Our development just had an increase January 2009.
DJ1 (Ontario)
Posts: 798
Posted:
Is there any mention in the definition/ccrs about 'never occupied lots' vs 'once occupied lot'. No fees are payable here on a 'never occupied lot' but when the status changes to a 'once occupied lot' they pay the same as all others.

"Once occupied" is any lot with a dwelling thereon:
-that is or has been occupied by someone residing thereon or,
-that has been conveyed by the developer to a purchaser.
JaniceM1 (Georgia)
Posts: 27
Posted:
We just went through this last year. We have three builders that own lots in our neighborhood, the Association has been turned over completely for two years. We changed management companies after the turn over and they dropped the ball (working on replacing them). We had to dig all of this information out for ourselves.
I can tell you our experience: The builder's responsibility will not, necessariliy, be in your recorded documents. Developers and builders sign agreements that owners will never see & the board will not know about if you are still under developer control (or after). I had a builder hand over his agreement after we questioned his lot payments. I was informed by our attorney that the agreement was only good for the first year, other words he had one year from the dated agreement to build and sell the lot before dues were owed. Because he did not complete the build out and sell the lot he owes the assessment. Now, one of the three builders owns 120 lots and had not paid in 2 years. We, the Board, made a deal with him and he did pay the assessments owed without late fees and he has to keep the lots maintained. We had our attorney to help us draw up the agreement and we kept the details sealed. We did not want this deal to be negotiated by him next year or by other builders. Now, for the other two builders in here, they only own 15 lots between them. They pulled their agreements out, to say they didn't have to pay...well...yes they did! It had been over their year and they owed two years of assessments plus late fees. We collected all of it. We could have placed liens, but liens would have cost us money. We worked out payment plans and default penalties.
As far as using Reserve Money... Don't do it!!! The Board can only be held liable for very few things (things that your D & O. insurance doesn't cover) and mismanagement of funds is one. The Reserve should only be used for those items. Have you had a formal reserve study done? One that was not handed over by the developer. I suggest every community have one done by the Board who replaces the Developer. They are expensive, but WELL worth it.
If your Developer and Builder are the same, do you have any owners who are on the Board yet? If so/ if not, I would ask to see the minutes from their meetings and the financials. Our Developer left us with a 2 million dollar bill, saying the association owed them that to build and establish the ammenities (plus pay bills that the assessments didn't cover, much like your case). Once turned over we found our own attorney (highly suggest replacing the firm who handled the association while the developer was there & get them on retainer, will save lots of money) he told us not to pay it. We had our new Reserve Study (the one we paid for) and it showed our Developer did not deposit enough into the reserve accounts.
So, don't trust what they say they are doing. You will never really know until they have turned over the association to the owners and you get your own Management Company in and your own attorney, PLUS stay on top of them.
I hope this information helps. It is tough when the association is still in the declarent's hands.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Maureen,

I know different states have different rules applying to subdividing land. Here in the AZ the gov. agency that handles new construction is the R.E. Department. There are state statutes governing some things and the R.E. Dept also has rules that the developer must abide by. I was elected to the first board after declarant control of my former assn. I know the developer made up the shortfall when he was in control. He tried to take some of the money back after turnover but I caught the error; that's how I know he was making up the difference. I just thought that was the law because it was not stated in the CCRs that it was his responsibility to do this. Of course he was only in control for less than 2 years. I don't know what happens when the declarant is in control for longer periods of time. I'm sure they just raise the assessments accordingly.

If your state has no statutes addressing reserve funds, it may be difficult convincing the declarant that reserve funds should not be used to pay operating expenses. I'm sure this isn't outlined in your gov. docs either. Perhaps you can go online and get some on reserve funds and show this to him. I don't believe the IRS has any guidelines on this either. When an assn is having financial difficulties I'm sure it's hard to just let that $$$ stay untouched in a reserve fund. But, anything taken out should definitely be replaced ASAP.

Since you mention the Fannie Mae rental requirements, I take it you live in a condo complex; this ruling does not apply to single family homes. The % is determined by whether or not the condo in on HUD's approved condo list. If on the list, Section 234(c)mort. ins can be obtained if 80% of the HUD-insured mortgages are owner occupied. Note: that 80% of HUD mortgages not 80% of the units!! If not on the list, then a spot loan can be obtained in which case at least 51% of the units in the complex must be owner-occupied.
MaureenM1 (PA)
Posts: 344
Posted:
thanks for all your advice. Myself and one other resident are on the board. There are 3 other members (builder and his family). We are always outvoted.

Should we be asking the builder/developer for this agreement?? What exactly would we be asking for?? Myself and the other board member who lives in our development is new at this. We are definitely going through a learning curve!!! This website helps alot but I am making an appt. with an attorney just to know what are rights are and to get a better understanding of HOA law (which as you know if very complicated).

MaureenM1 (PA)
Posts: 344
Posted:
thanks for all your advice. Myself and one other resident are on the board. There are 3 other members (builder and his family). We are always outvoted.

Should we be asking the builder/developer for this agreement?? What exactly would we be asking for?? Myself and the other board member who lives in our development is new at this. We are definitely going through a learning curve!!! This website helps alot but I am making an appt. with an attorney just to know what are rights are and to get a better understanding of HOA law (which as you know if very complicated).
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Maureen,

The agreement that Janice spoke of may just be a Georgia thing! But, if you are on friendly terms with the declarant you may want to feel him out. If you know what State department oversees development of subdivided lots (in AZ its the R.E. Dept) you might want to ask if that Dept has rules the developer must abide by. If there are, then you can go to that Dept and make inquiries. I've found that it's always best to have some info about the topic b/4 discussing it. In other words, know how the systems works b/4 confronting the declarant with the fact that he might be doing something wrong.
MaureenM1 (PA)
Posts: 344
Posted:
I had more time to read through my CCRs under Association Budget it states the following....

Declarant will pay Common Expense assessments for each Unit owned by Declarant. Is unsold lot considered a Unit?
MaureenM1 (PA)
Posts: 344
Posted:
We are not on friendly terms with the developer/builder or the management company. The owners feel like
they have been "duped" by all of them. They trust myself and the other board member (since we both live here and
invested in the development). We are looking out for the best interests of the development because of that. The builder/
developer are not. They wouldn't care if they built and rented the remaining 14 homes just to make income.

I had more time to read through the CCRs & bylaws and came up with the following...

under Association Budget it states the following....

Declarant will pay Common Expense assessments for each Unit owned by Declarant. Are unsold lots considered a Unit? I live in PA
MaureenM1 (PA)
Posts: 344
Posted:
No,

under Association Budget it states the following....

Declarant will pay Common Expense assessments for each Unit owned by Declarant. Is unsold lot considered a Unit?
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
In our HOA, the lot would not be considered a "unit."

Our declarant/developer was not required to pay for unsold, empty lots. Once he constructed a unit on it, however, he was, but only after turnover of control of the HOA to residents.

Prior to that point, he was exempt from all assessments, whether the lot was built out or not.
KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
For what it is worth, there is a bill in Texas legislature now that will prohibit special perks for developers past the 50% mark of the sellout. It will stop them from having extra votes, veto power, and I would assume the right to not pay their share of dues.

I suspect that we leading in this area. Personally, I don't know if the marker is at the right place, but the idea is sound. Developers should have a limited time of power and if they fail to sell out their units they should have to pay the piper on HOA dues. In too many areas there is no incentive because they don't pay dues, and they retain a lot of power. In short, it is ripe for abuse. And from what I have seen here some developers would appear to set out to abuse the system.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Maureen,

I would say a "unit" refers to a completed home. The CCRs usually have a "definitions" article where, hopefully, you can look it up. The definitions article in my CCRs contains the def. of both "dwelling unit" and "lot".
MaureenM1 (PA)
Posts: 344
Posted:
Mary,

the definition of "unit" in my ccrs is:

Unit means a Unit as described herein and in the Plat and Plans.

Plats & Plans means the Plats and Plans attached hereto as Exhibit D

MaureenM1 (PA)
Posts: 344
Posted:
I agree.
JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 967
Posted:
One of the nice things about schizophrenia is that you never feel like you're alone.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MaureenM1 on 04/19/2009 9:11 AM
Mary,

the definition of "unit" in my ccrs is:

Unit means a Unit as described herein and in the Plat and Plans.

Plats & Plans means the Plats and Plans attached hereto as Exhibit D


That means you have to read the definition of "Unit" that is described in the "Plat and Plans," which is apparently attached to your CC&Rs as Exhibit D.

Whatever definition for "unit" is in that instrument is what the CC&Rs is using as the definition in it.
MaureenM1 (PA)
Posts: 344
Posted:
Unfortunately I don't have any of the exhibits attached to my CCRs and I have the copy that I was given at my closing.

We have quarterly owners meetings so I asked the group to bring a copy of the Exhibits to the meeting. I guess I can ask
the Management Company to send me an updated copy.

MaureenM1 (PA)
Posts: 344
Posted:
Unfortunately I don't have any of the exhibits attached to my CCRs and I have the copy that I was given at my closing.

We have quarterly owners meetings so I asked the group to bring a copy of the Exhibits to the meeting. I guess I can ask
the Management Company to send me an updated copy.

MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Maureen, and if worse comes to worst, you could also request a copy from your county or borough's deed room or clerk. They should have a record of them filed with the deed or with the development's plats.

GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
I'm going to have to disagree with Mary that it is the developers place to make up the shortfall as a cost of doing business. If the HOA is not bringing in enough revenue to pay the bills then the assessments are too low. Developers often keep the assessments artificially low in order to sell the units faster then depart leaving the HOA holding the bag. Nor should the reserves be raided to fund the shortfall.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Glen,

The developer is still in control of the assn. Here in AZ, as long as the developer is in control, if he doesn't want to raise the assessments then he makes up the shortfall. We had that happen in my former assn.

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