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FrancescaM (Washington)
Posts: 264
Posted:
Hello all,

I am curious how other HOA's deal with this if at all? One of our most important meetings had to be cancelled because we didnt' have a quarum. We had 3 out of 5 no shows, no calls, no emails alerting the board of absences.

None the less, the agenda was long, had many urgent items on board and now it has to wait until next month. There have been several emergency meeting requests via email with no response from our board members.

What have other board members done in the past. I would assume it's a courtesy to call someone to tell you can't make it... that's what I have always practiced.. but I dont' know, thats just me.
FrancescaM (Washington)
Posts: 264
Posted:
and I know I sound niave. LOL
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Francesca,

The very moment that you can get them all together, have a meeting, stating the importance of getting items accomplished from the agenda. Also, just be forward and ask if each member wants to continue as an active Board member. If not, just say so and find replacements. I know that my documents read that a BOD must attend 75% of all meetings or will be replaced by an action of the remaining BODs. It is amazing that people want to be on the Board and then become inactive. Could it be issues of the HOA that they do not want to address? Either way, not getting association business done is a liability to all of the members and it should not continue. As for not informing the others--TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE!!!

MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Francesca,

As Donna says, many bylaws have a provision allowing the BOD to remove a board member who fails to attend so many board meetings w/o an excused absence. Sounds to me like these board members just do not have common courtesy; don't know how that can be instilled in someone! The Pres needs to issue a statement to all board members emphasizing the importance of notifying the board secretary, or the PM, if they will be unable to attend a board meeting and the reason. Board meetings should be scheduled for the same day each month so board members can mark their calendars and plan accordingly. Each board member has an obligation to attend the board meetings, if they're unable to meet their obligation then perhaps they should not be on the board.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Yes, this is definitely frustrating.

But, alas, it's the president's job to handle or not. We'll probably not be privy to whether he has made his frustration known to the MIA directors.

Just another one of those "some people's children. . . " moments.

FrancescaM (Washington)
Posts: 264
Posted:
Our cc&rs' are so out of date.. there is NO guidelines for attendance for our Board Members. However, our goal is to update this year. it's an issue for sure.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Francesca,

This is something that should be in your bylaws, not the CCRs.
FrancescaM (Washington)
Posts: 264
Posted:
none the less, there isn't guidelines.. in either.. I have read them through and through.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Well, I would be surprised if any governing documents went to that extreme level of detail that it provided direction regarding how or if or when a board member should RSVP to a meeting.

SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Our Bylaws state if a board member misses 3 consectutive meetings, he/she is automatically dropped. If a board member falls over 30 days behind in his/her assessments, he/she is also suspended until the fees are brought current.

Generally, the members do tell someone if he/she can't make a meeting - the further in advance the better.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
FrancescaM (Washington)
Posts: 264
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MicheleD on 04/14/2009 10:04 AM
Well, I would be surprised if any governing documents went to that extreme level of detail that it provided direction regarding how or if or when a board member should RSVP to a meeting.


Michele, I wasn't asking for our cc&r's or bylaws to state rsvp ing etc. I can't seem to find it my post that would indicate that is what I was asking. I was asking if this is an issue with other HOA's and how is it handled. What our docs do not have is gudelines for attendance specifically stating after x amount of meetings missed they are dropped.. etc. Nothing was ever indicated that I was looking for rsvp ing info...
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
ah. my bad.

I don't think it's necessary to develop a formal guideline for common courtesy, though.

Like I said earlier, then, I would think it's up to the President to take it up with the directors.

It's a matter of common courtesy and the few times we've had directors not give us a heads up that they won't be attending (RSVP), the president has called them out on it directly by asking them not to do it anymore. It's a waste of everyone's time.

I don't think we have it written down anywhere, but most of us know or are aware that if we can't make the meeting, we let everyone know at least a day ahead of time, unless it's a sudden emergency, which CAN happen from time to time.

SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Frances - check your bylaws to see if there is something in them about a "meeting without a meeting".

If something REALLY important has to be done, it can be done by president conducting a phone vote poll, then it gets ratified at the next meeting.

In the meantime, you might want to see how to increase your board membership and lowering the quorum. You cant' have your hands tied like this when board members don't show up.
RobertG12 (Arizona)
Posts: 160
Posted:
I have no idea what the laws are in Washington, but are there open meeting laws. Even if they don't, I really don't think meetings without a meeting is a very good idea. Home owners need to have the feeling they know what is going on and doing this type of action may give a perception of deception. I don't believe there are many things that just can't wait until a meeting can be held properly. Obviously the issue of quorum is a problem.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Robert,

The AZ nonprofit corp statutes allow for an action to be taken w/o a meeting (ARS 10-3821). Although it's not stated in the statute I believe the purpose is to allow the board to take action on an emergency situation when its impossible to attain a quorum for a meeting. The statute reads: "The action must be evidenced by one or more written consents describing the action taken, signed by each director and included in the minutes filed with the corp. records reflecting the action taken." It also states the action is effective when the last director signs the consent and the consent has the same effect as a vote taken at a meeting. BTW, this is also allowed in my CCRs. I don't think this happens very often but I do believe it's a good thing to have. When I was on the BOD of my former assn we had occasion to use this procedure one time. At the time we only had 3 board members and the Pres was unavailable.
RobertG12 (Arizona)
Posts: 160
Posted:
Mary, not to side track the issue, but IMHO (and a legal opinion for what it is worth) the open meeting law trumps your AZ nonprofit corp. If members can't discuss an issue before a BOD is to take action, then it violates open meeting, no matter what your bylaws state.

True, emergency meetings can be held. However, as a respected lawyer stated, if you have time to ask a lawyer if the meeting could be treated as an emergency, then it isn't an emergency.

Again, what happens the AZ has no bearing on the original issue. However, if it is possible (which doesn't sound like it is in the case), why hide any actions even if you don't mean to hide the action?
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Robert,

All I can say is that it isn't a meeting -- it's called an action without a meeting. The open meeting law says all meetings must be open to the members. It also says if a quorum of the board meets whether or not an action is taken it's considered a meeting. However, no meeting takes place using the "action without a meeting" to take an action.
RobertG12 (Arizona)
Posts: 160
Posted:
I believe the entire intent of the open meeting law is to make all actions visible to owners, even though they cannot take any action themselves. If you were to take your concept, then why ever have any meeting and do everything by "action without meeting" and bypass all homeonwer visibility and input.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Robert,

You're correct on the intent of the OML. But the action w/o a meeting is not my concept it's state law -- contained in the nonprofit corp act which all HOAs must abide by. Until the Legislators state this statute does not apply to HOAs, an HOA board can use it. I agree it could allow an errant board to coduct business by bypassing a meeting w/o an emergency existing. This will be taken care of if and when my OML bill is passed -- perhaps we'll get it out next session.

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