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WardB
Posts: 3
Posted:
I live in an HOA community in Florida. We tried to have an election for 3 board members last Monday evening. Our proxy is also our ballot. One of our homeowners came to the meeting and asked for a ballot, she was told that there was a proxy already on file for this election. She said that she would like to see the proxy, it had been forged!!!! After discussion it was decided that if 1 proxy was forged than all proxies could have been forged. What is the best way to have a secret ballot election in the State of Florida??? Also our community was not in compliance with the State of Florida we were in ADMIN DISSOLUTION for not filing the proper forms with the State. So not vote could have been taken Monday night anyway.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Oh My God,
Just when you think that you've heard it all, along comes another unbelievable case.

The election should be called illegal and void it out. Number one, proxies and voting should never be on the same piece of paper. Votes are secret and proxies are not. Florida proxies are very specific in what can be done with them.

Have another election. Ballots go into a sealed envelope with only the lot number on the outside of it. Have a roster of all eligable lot numbers that can vote, check them off when the corresponding envelope comes in. You can limit all proxies in when they can recieved, such as 2 days prior to the election. That way, you can verify them. If they are not in the hands of the secretary or management co, then they do not get counted.

Do your documents state anything on Proxy use? How old is your community?

What was the reason that the HOA is in Administration Dissolution? Even so, there needs to be some body in place to run the business of the HOA so you still need either a Board or an administrator to run the association.
WardB
Posts: 3
Posted:
We have had problems since the begining of our community. We have had the same president since 2001. We have a secretary who does not have any documents in his posession so we can not get anything. We have a new management company. We have a landscape company without workman's comp insuranace. We were in ADMIN DISSOLUTION For annual report. One had not been filed since 04/02/2007. They are now in complicance with the State. The entire board is not doing their job!!!! We have had the same security company and the same lanscape company for 10 years. The forged document is just the tip of the iceberg!!!!
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Ward,
Who put you into dissolution? The State would not ordinarily do that for lack of 1 or 2 annual reports. They just send a couple of threatening letters and the HOA files some catch up papers. (You are now in compliance--good)

No workmans comp is not your responsibility, it is the landscapes job to keep that up to date BUT it is the Boards job to check and see if the landscaper has the insurance. You need someone to come in and clean house.

I think that you may have taken a step in the right direction by hiring a new management company. Hopefully they can get this train back on track.

Who caught the fraudulant proxy? Board member or the manager?
WardB
Posts: 3
Posted:
I do not know who and why we were is DISSOLUTION, but I checked www.sunbiz.org and we were in Dissolution for Annual Report. I believe that our board shold hire only people with liability and workman's comp insurance. In Florida if you have an LLC company with less than 4 employees you are not required to have workman's comp. My position is that if one of their employees get's hurt, the landscaper will go out of business and we as homeowners will get sued. This situation happened last year in Punt Gorda, Florida. If the new election has problems, what Florida department should we make our complaint too???
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Normally, you would have to show that these proxy errors would be made a difference in the election to get the election declared null and void.

So, verify each porxie (hope you kept them)

The time to complain was at the electtion; it may be too late now.

DwightT (Idaho)
Posts: 664
Posted:
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Posted By DonnaS on 03/22/2009 12:12 PM

Who put you into dissolution? The State would not ordinarily do that for lack of 1 or 2 annual reports. They just send a couple of threatening letters and the HOA files some catch up papers.

Donna - are you sure about that for Florida? In Idaho all annual reports are to be filed by Jan 1 of every year. The State will send one reminder notice in October or November, and that's it. If your report isn't on file by Jan 1 (possibly with a grace period), then you are automatically marked as "Not in good standing" (or something like that). No extra letters are sent. If/when somebody notices they can file the catch up papers, and pay the late filing fee (about $35).

I've had to reinstate a couple of organizations, including my HOA. When we changed management companies and updated the "Registered Agent" address, somehow the wrong address was entered and we never received the reminder. For the other organization, I was the only person left on the Board so I was just going to let it go, but then I managed to get a couple of other people to start helping out.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Dwight,
I did say "not normally" Don't forget that the State of Florida has zillions of HOAs and to fall thru the document crack is not unusual. I am aware of an association or two that has gotten behind in their annuals and the State sent them an "official" notice to comply. It costs the State much more to disolve a HOA corp than it does to send a letter so this particular HOA must have been on the radar screen. But there is no excuse for them to not file the annuals. The filing fee is under $20.00 and dissolution and reinstatement will be in the hundreds.
DwightT (Idaho)
Posts: 664
Posted:
Interesting. Just out of curiosity (and to make sure we are talking about the same thing), does Florida treat HOAs differently from other Corps?

As far as the State is concerned here, an HOA is just a Corporation. The only requirement (as far as the filing is concerned) is that we send back the post-card every year with the list of who the current officers are. As long as we send it in on time, it doesn't cost us anything, and as I mentioned even if we are late it only costs about $35 for reinstatement. And as far as I know, it doesn't cost the State anything to dissolve - if we don't send in the card they don't update our status as being current.
KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
Posted:
Does the Board know who had submitted the fraudulent proxy?
GrandI (Florida)
Posts: 2
Posted:
The ballot is on the same piece of paper as the proxy. our guard has copies of the proxy and ballot, our landscaper has copies of the proxy and ballot, all of the board members have copies of the proxy and ballots, they are all soliciting homeowners for the proxies and ballots.
The guard flagged down a daughter of the homeowner and asked her to sign a piece of paper, which was the proxy. She is not the homeowner. She only signed the piece of paper. When the homeowner saw the proxey at the meeting, other peoples names were checked on the ballot, not the people who she wanted to vote for.
There is no way a fair election can be held under these circumstances.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
The State would not "dissolve" the corporation - just put it into an inactive stage.

The Members are the only ones who can dissolve the corporation.

Unless you can show that the forged ballots/proxies would have made a difference in the elction, the election would not be able to be null and void.

MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Grand,

Why would the guard and the landscaper have copies of the ballot/proxy? Your board needs to get their act together. The ballot/proxy shouldn't be given out to just anybody and every one issued needs to be accounted for; otherwise there is potential for voter fraud.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
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Posted By SusanW1 on 03/27/2009 6:10 AM
The State would not "dissolve" the corporation - just put it into an inactive stage.

The Members are the only ones who can dissolve the corporation.

Unless you can show that the forged ballots/proxies would have made a difference in the elction, the election would not be able to be null and void.


It's really an "administrative dissolution" and it's the term used by the Corp Commission, at least that's the case here in AZ. When a corp fails to file their annual report (n $10/yr), the Corp Comm will administrative dissolve the corp, but the corp has 6 years from the delinquency date to correct the deficiency. All they have to do is file the necessary documents, pay the fee (only $25 for nonprofits)and the corp (HOA) is reinstated. While the HOA is under the dissolution stage, technically, they are not supposed to be conducting business; however the Corp Comm is not a policing agency, so the dissolution really doesn't have much teeth. The only drawback is that the corp's name is only held for 6 mos after the date of delinquency so your corp name could be assigned to a new corp. I doubt this happens with HOAs.

Every state has their own laws and procedures; what I've described above applies to AZ.

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