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PennyG1 (Georgia)
Posts: 7
Posted:
How to determine if the occupied house is purchased or rental/leased. I'm new to the board and community. Homeowners information needs to be updated. In some instances, we do not know if the occupied home is rented/leased/purchased.

Is there one location that will provide us the status of all Homeowners in our Subdivision? If not, what are some doable suggestions?
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Why do you need to know if it is rented or leased?

All you need is the information on the OWNER, since it's the owner who is obligated to comply with all the covenants.

That information should be available, along with current mailing addresses, at your county clerk's office or in your localities tax records.

Here all we have to do is log into the Property Valuation Administrator for our county. Then do an address search and it pops up all the tax records, with the title holder's name, including the current (supposedly) mailing address for the owner.
PennyG1 (Georgia)
Posts: 7
Posted:
You are absolutely correct that is all I need to know the OWNER, and how to obtain owner information. Thanks for your feed back. I will check with our county clerk’s office. I proposed the question the way I did, due to information provided to me by the Board President. I’m trying to eliminate the Board excuses for not having updated information in our database. The main excuse is, they do not know how to obtain owners information, nor do they know who owns their home, versus who rent/lease. I’m told that information is not provided to the Board upon a move in (sale). I find that hard to believe; being that we moved into a foreclosed house that had been on the market for over two years, the yard didn’t appear to have ever been maintained, and we received a violation letter of Pine Straw needed within 2 wks.

Thanks again. I’m learning. I just learned a lot from you. I’ve been on the board two (2) days. And yes we have a Property Management Team.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
PennyG,
I would suggest you also read your documents very, very closely to see if there is any requires that your association office be notified of any sales or purchases inside the HOA.

Also, Georgia has some very specific state requirements for HOA's. I would Google Georgia Laws concerning HOA's or something like that. Try to find out all your state requirements and standards.
You can also go to top of this page on right and search "Georgia" or also look at links highlighted in yellow this page on the left. There is a lot of state information and free General information if you search these sites.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Penny, Robert's information is good.

Also, keep in mind that in many states it's the seller's responsibility to notify the buyer of the HOA.

The HOA may be telling the truth that they are not notified on sales or transfers.

It's not a requirement here in Kentucky that the HOA be notified, only that the buyer be aware of the HOA.

I have no idea how old your development is, but if your board is moaning and whining that they can't locate owners, then they are simply not getting off their backsides and doing it.

They may or may not be notified of sales or transfers, but they DO have an responsibility to maintain as up-to-date accounts receivables contact list as possible in order to collect assessments.

That information is all open records stuff. If they don't know how to find it, they need to be learning that.
PennyG1 (Georgia)
Posts: 7
Posted:
Thanks for all the input. I followed MicheleD (Kentucky) advice this morning and I was successful. After four transfers from the County Clerk Office; I reached a representative who walked me through the links. It’s amazing what one can find out if they are passionate about what they do. I'll check out the additional suggestions this weekend. As for as the previous board, I believe they were too relaxed doing nothing, but full of excuses. I will definitely make a positive change as a Board member. It's going to take time to win the trust of homeowners. The board will improve this year. I have a lot to learn about HOA rules and Board in a short time. I’m up for the challenge. As I mentioned in previous note, some one receives the information, because I received a letter addressed to me from Property Management and I had only been in subdv a few weeks and nobody knew my name.
DuaneW1 (Georgia)
Posts: 34
Posted:
When we got on the Board, we received a listing from the Management Company with all the Owners. But, we were also a relatively new subdivision, so I'm not sure if that makes it easier. What's been trying since then is the turnover and foreclosures and using the internet to track the houses! What a pain.
You mentioned in another thread about welcoming people, that is how we learned everyone in the subdivision. We then made up a newsletter with a special 'Welcome' section to list who lives where. That is the best way to have a safe neighborhood. You can't tell who really belongs if you don't know the people.

It's wonderful to hear how excited you are, it will be real shot in the arm for your Neighborhood too.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
DuaneW1,
Not to be forgotten, especially if non-guided and ill guided HOAs.

Necessity is the mother of invention!

I don't know what you are paying your management company, but I would suggest that you include as part of their duties a monthly updated owners listing with name(s) on deed, anyone assigned
responsibility, addresses, phone #, e-mail addresses. Any properties for sale and who is listing them. As far as properties for sale you can check a good realtor and request a MLS and get 98% of them. Also, if an owner wants to sell and knows the Regime maintains a list, I suspect they would want to be on it. Especially if this information is e-mailed to the owners. E-mail addresses should be required of owners, you have their phone #, what's the difference, also, in case of a natural disaster, e-mail is a lot faster passing out information than anything else.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
. . . because here in our subdivision, only about a third of the neighbors use the internet.

Of those only about 10 care to share their email.

We also have quite a few who do NOT want to supply their phone numbers, either. Which is their right, since many have unpublished numbers.

We can only rely on U.S. Post Office and our own two legs when making sure everyone has the information they need from us.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Michele,
I KNOW I am guilty of this. I tend to not mention when I write that many times I am talking about how we do or don't do things and expect all who read this to know I am not suggesting this is the way to go for all associations. In this e-mail business I really don't expect every one to do as we do or don't. If it works for us and doesn't work for you, it doesn't make it wrong. Most time (I believe) everyone has to sign an agreement with the HOA when they purchase property that they accept the rules. You even have to do that in order to get on some web sites, you accept an agreement electronically. So this is not cruel and unusual punishment. I accept that some folks may be tightfisted with all kinds of personal information and then go out and hand a waiter their credit card. Lots more important than an e-mail or phone number. I also recognize and don't convey that some associations are much more restrictive than mine and maybe some suggestions won't work with them.
I am curious about if your regulations require certain restrictions how do you justify the owners not agreeing to them when they sign the HOA agreement. If a phone # was required by the HOA, do I hear you say the owner can refuse to provide it. The HOA might have to agree not to publish it, but I suspect they could require it be on file, same with e-mail address, if this technology is used by the management for communications as directed by their covenants.

Again, I am not saying the shoe fits your foot, but there will be feet out there that the shoe will fit.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
I know.

I was just pointing out . . .

But I will say this, we do NOT have a "requirement" in our CC&Rs that we HAVE to have people's phone or email, and it would take someone pretty good at the "convincing game" to convince me to move towards any amendment that would require it.

We are not a condo or town home, patio home, or similar subdivision.

I can think of no good reason the board or the association would (or should) require phone numbers or email addresses.

Out of 300+ homes, only roughly a third have internet to begin with. I can not imagine why we would require that people "internet up" and stay plugged in, just so we can communicate with them.

Please don't get me wrong.

I'm far from a Luddite. My husband and I are both all over cutting-edge technology and we are often first in line in the Early Adopter category.

We both were "internetting" in the mid-1980s, long before http and www were the "standard." GUI? GUI? We didn't need no steenking GUI. . . .

But the fact is, trying to force people to use technology simply because it's more convenient for you (the "generic" you, not you in particular) just doesn't work.

I'm super glad that in some communities it's doing well, but those communities are probably one-tenth of one percent of the entire pool of communities!



PennyG1 (Georgia)
Posts: 7
Posted:
Thanks to all for your wisdom, laughter, valuable information and suggestions. My first HO Board meeting is tonight. Officers will be elected. I have added some of the suggestion and comments for tonight’s discussion. The entire board volunteers their services. I take volunteer just as serious as a paid job. Volunteer is not an excuse to be slack. I am passionate about any thing I do in my name. Thanks again for your help!

EllenS1 (Florida)
Posts: 1,148
Posted:
Penny,

Go to your city's website and check out the property address which will show the owner of record.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Good luck to you, Penny!

Keep in mind, though, that being an unpaid (volunteer) board of directors member does not mean you aren't getting something from it! Your "payment" is knowing that you are doing all you can to keep your association healthy! That should pay off, in the long run, on the investment you made in your home.
EllenS1 (Florida)
Posts: 1,148
Posted:
Penny,

Your hoa is lucky to have you. One thing we do when we learn about a new renter or homeowner is pass out a welcome letter saying we are happy to have them,etc. and citing a few of our more important regs.

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