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GordonD1 (California)
Posts: 131
Posted:
Our HOA just had our annual meeting. Two new directors were elected. (They will be serving for the first time on the board). This means two former directors are not longer there.

The president of the board was not at the annual meeting. For this reason, the assignment of the officers has not been done yet.

One of the new directors is a very nice lady that has always worked very hard helping with some of the committees.

The still president of the board (until the assignments of the officers occur) does not like her at all. He is mistreating her in a terrible manner. It is very obvious that he is extremely
upset that the new lady director is now a board member. (She got a majority of the community's votes).

We are all in shock to see that he does not want to correspond with her via e-mail. He sent her two e-mails telling her that she needs to send her e-mails to the association manager.
He did not do this to the other directors, even though we have sent many corresponding e-mails. The new lady director is acting very professional with this situation even though this
man is humiliating her with no reason. He is very rude and short with her.

I feel this is terrible conduct and goes against our mandatory post qualifications for a director according to our bylaws.

I must say that one of the reasons that the president feels against this very nice new director is because his wife also participated with her in some of the committees. It was obvious
to us that the wife wanted things done only her way. (Another reason could be that one of the directors that are no longer there is his good friend).

I want our board to have mutual respect for fellow board members to be able to work properly for the sake of our community at large. Two of the other directors feel that the president has
type A personality. I am not a doctor so I can speculate on this. However, I have to say that his tolerance level is very low.

How can this situation be handle before it becomes a larger problem. Is this legal?

Please give me some input.

Thank you very much,

Gordon

AnneM2 (North Carolina)
Posts: 30
Posted:
Who assigns/appoints your officers? Shouldn't the officers be elected by the members/directors of the full board, not assigned or appointed. Read your by-laws and if this is the case, do some politicing among your fellow board members and elect a president who is more 'presidential.' What you describe would be an intolerable situation for me.
GordonD1 (California)
Posts: 131
Posted:
Anne, thank you very much for your reply. Absolutely, the director's conduct is not for the president position or even a board position. Your advise is good.
GordonD1 (California)
Posts: 131
Posted:
Anne, yes the member directors assigns/appoints the officers.

Gordon
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Gordon,

Since it's the resp. of the BOD to elect the officers,I would strongly campaign to have someone else elected to serve as the Pres -- someone who gets along well with all the board members. The current Pres. is certainly NOT Presidential material! A meeting should be scheduled immediately to elect officers and if the Pres cannot make the meeting then it's his tough luck!
GordonD1 (California)
Posts: 131
Posted:
Mary: The annual meeting was on March 3, 2009 and the current President wants to do officers election on May 13, 2009. (On our next board meeting). Our bylaws say that we need to
elect the new officers no later than 15 days after election. It is obvious that this President is disrupting the board with his actions.
AnnaD2 (Florida)
Posts: 960
Posted:
Gordon, follow your by-laws! The majority of the board members need to pick a meeting date within the 15 day period. Show the association members that "some" of the board members know how to follow the rules and laws. That guy sounds like a bully and it looks like it's time to put him in his place....and that place is NOT as president. Also, don't be afraid to state the reason behind your actions.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Gordon,

Well the BOD has already violated the bylaws since 3/18 has passed. As I recommended - and Anna has seconded! -- the board members should call a meeting immediately to elect officers. I'm sure any member of the board may call a meeting -- not just the Pres!. The BOD being in limbo until May is definitely an irresponsible action on the part of the Pres. Actually the most prudent thing to do is have the meeting immediately following the annual meeting!
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Gordon,
All the advice you have received is on the money. I seem to detect a certain reluctence on the Boards part to do their job. Your by laws will tell you how that Board can call a special Board Meeting. When convened and on your agenda, note the reason for the meeting is to elect a new Board President. When the meeting opens, motion and second to go to Executive Session, clear the room. A member of the Board asks for a motion to select a new President as per your by-laws, it is seconded, discussed and a selction is made by the Board. The new president is announced, and the ES goes then to the adjourned (open Board meeting). The new president declares the action taken at ES and thats the end. The old is out and the new comes in.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Robert,

Why do you recommend an ES to elect board officers. In AZ, that is definitely NOT cause for a closed session! Closed or ES should only be used to discuss confidential matters!
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Mary,
Just a suggestion. My reasoning is the Pres. is going to to be replaced for cause. If so I would, out of respect for the office, allowed him to hear the reasons and present a rebuttal to the Board. The Board is taking the action and right it may be, in the end. Also the Pres. was probably not selected in an open meeting. I am not sure how other associations work, but, our first regular board meeting of the year is closed to allow for selection of officers. Normally, there is little or no other business conducted other than election of the Pres. and officers as required. In reality there is probably a lot that should be discussed and should be handled in a closed meeting and I refer to the Management evaluation by the Board members. I believe the managers evaluation should be behind closed doors and the manager or management compnay absent. That sort of thing is contractual, the manager could be also and also touch on disciplinary issues.

Anytime an owner has an issue with the Board or Management of any kind, that should be handled as an agenda item in open meeting before the Board. Many times these particular items can also be resolved by contact with an individual board member. I don't know how to get around the fact that the managers proficiency is sometimes rated by how well he/she responds to those absentee owners that have rental units. I have noticed over the years that those owners spending considerablt time in residence are much more critical of the manager than those that rent.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Mary,
I meant to add I agree with you. In general there is little that has to go to Executive session. But after all this time I have become immune or at least have given up trying to narrow the reason for ES. It seems the more I complain the worse it gets. This year our board has held ES when it rains. it seems. The latest is about to come up and they are going to hold an ES to go over the upcoming annual meeting. I am not fooling one bit.

As I said before they don't call an ES meeting, the just hold the ES before the regular board meeting (a day before). They will notice the Regular meeting as required, announce no decision or vote was taken at the ES, and continue with the meeting. Hopefully next month, all this crap will end and we can get the train back on the track.
I will say truthfully our past boards could have been worse and we could be in bad shape, but our heads are above water, albeit we are faced with playing catch up in our reserve fund.........BUT......over the years we could have done a MUCH, MUCH better job, and would be in MUCH MUCH better shape.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Robert,

What you describe is what can happen when there is no state law requiring open metings and outlining the issues that can be discussed in a closed meeting. Of course I'm sure there are boards in AZ that violate the law, but that's fodder for another thread!
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Mary,
Actually the reason for going to Executive Session in SC for non-profits seem to be pretty clear. As you said they are flat ignored. I honestly believe they must know a lot of this stuff they do is out of bounds, but as long as apathy reigns, nothing will happen. To call the misdeed at a meeting, means nothing. Two choices: 1) Change the general attitude of the council (owners).
2) Change the Board.
JeffD4 (Texas)
Posts: 9
Posted:
As "bad" as this president appears to be ,do your docs allow the membership to remove a Board member with a simple majority?
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Jeff,

I don't know that this guy has done anything to warrant his removal as a board members, just his position as Pres. I get the impression he just doesn't want to schedule another meeting b/4 their regularly scheduled meeting in Jul. He may be a very good board members, he just isn't Pres. material.
GordonD1 (California)
Posts: 131
Posted:
Mary and Robert:

Our bylaws states: Organization Meeting: The first regular meeting of a newly elected board must be held within ten (10) days (I am sorry I said 15 days before) of election of the Board, at such place as is fixed and announced by the Directors at the meeting at which such Directors were elected, to organize, elect officers and transact other business. No notice is necessary to the newly elected Directors to hold such meeting; provided that (a) a majority of the whole Board is present when the tiem and place are announced at the annual meeting and (b) the meeting is held on the same day and at the same place as the annual meeting of the Owners at which the newly constituted Board was elected.

Each officer shall hold his office at the pleasure of the Board, until he resigns or is removed, is otherwise disqualified to serve or a successor is elected and qualified to serve.

Jeff:

On an affirmative vote of a majority of the entire Board, any officer may be removed, eithe with or without cause, and a successor elected at any meeting of the Board.

At this point I don't feel that the rest of the Board members want to remove the "Director" in question. We just don't feel that he should be the President. We want to give this person a chance to behave properly.

The annual meeting was on March 3, 2009. He was the only Director that did not attend the meeting.

Thank you very much for all of the great comments,

Regards,

Gordon
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Gordon,
I read that it is a good thing that the Board don't want to remove this director (President). You all don't have the authority to remove a Board member from the Board. You do have the authority to take or give a Board member an officer position of the Board, in his case president. I further read you can do this with or without cause. I would strongley suggest you show cause and a 100% vote of the remaining directors. In your case, you may consider cause to be, he didn't attend the annual first Board meeting of the year for organizational purposes, if you felt it was reasonable for him to be there. Your first yearly meeting for the Board has passed so you can either call a special Board Meeting for the purpose of removing the president or handle it as an agenda item at the next regular board meeting. Make sure that the announced purpose is for discussion and decision, not to remove the director from the presidency. It goes without saying the Board must not appear that this decision is already made. After a motion and discussion a vote is taken and out he goes as president. At that time the Board can jointly elect a new president.

You can see how tricky this can be, and it seems it also would be possible to remove the person as president, hold discussion to elect new president and could elect the same guy again. Just be careful how you do it. I also doubt very much that you are going to be able to remove him from presidency and he will continue as a team player in another capacity. I would not let this factor into removing him from the presidency if you have the votes.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Gordon,

As Robert says, I don't believe the board can remove a director from the board but they can remove an officer from a position on the board. You've just reaffirmed my belief that the board doesn't feel the Pres. should be removed from the board. As I said earlier, he just isn't Pres. material, but he may be a good board member. IMO, it's imperative that the board hold a meeting ASAP to elect the officers. If this guy can't make the meeting, so be it. Frankly, it might be best if he isn't there, then when he finds out that he's no longer Pres, you can use the excuse that he wasn't there.
GordonD1 (California)
Posts: 131
Posted:
Mary, Robert and Jeff:

Per our Bylaws we can remove also a director:

2.9 REMOVAL OF A DIRECTOR. On an affirmative vote of a majority of he entire Board, the Board may remove any individual Director who fails to remain qualified to serve on the Board of Directors pursuant to Section 2.2.2.

......(Also we have in our Bylaws At any meeting of the Owners, any individual Director or the entire Board may be removed.........

Thank you very much for your great comments,

Gordon
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Gordon,
I think I'll wait until Mary comments then I'll agree wikth her. I'm p;retty sure I know how she will answer this.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Gordon,

Even though your bylaws state the board may remove any director from the board, I would check with state law (Davis-Stirling Act) and also the State nonprofit corp statutes. Normally only the members of the assn may remove a director from the board. An exception to this MAY be a director who was appointed by the board. However, as talked about earlier, the board may remove an officer from their position on the board. It's not the norm for your bylaws to allow the board to remove a director from the board and since your bylaws give you two options, I would certaily go with the option of having the members vote on a removal.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Gordon,

In re-reading your message in which you state your bylaws allow the board to remove a director from the board, I noticed it said, "pursuant to Section 2.2.2". I have an idea that section may address reasons for removal of a director, such as non-payment of assessments or missing so many meetings. If that is the case, in effect, the board cannot remove a director from the board except for those 2 reasons, which is pretty much standard with most HOA bylaws. IMO, there would be no need for the members to vote to remove a board member for one of those reasons.
GordonD1 (California)
Posts: 131
Posted:
Thank you Mary for your comments.

First of all, the rest of the directors and myself do not want to remove this director from the board. I believe he deserve a second chance. We are going to vote for a new president. (This information has been legally confirmed).

Secondly, Section 2.2.2. per our Bylaws is: MANDATORY POST-ELECTION QUALIFICATIONS. (We have ten post qualifications).
Yes, we can remove a director. (This information has been legally confirmed).

Finally, The Davis Stirling Act also verifies this information.

Thank you very much,

Gordon

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