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LeoZ (New Jersey)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Owners & Tenants of the condo development I live in received a letter recently from the Property Management Company that a five-year cyclical inspection will be conducted. According to them, New Jersey's (The Nanny State) Dept. of Community Affairs, requires this inspection be done of the exterior of buildings and common areas.

The letter also stated that inspection of the inside of each unit will be done to "check fire safety items, such as smoke detectors and carbon monoxide alarms, to insure that they are operational".

Two dates and times (Wednesday and Thursday between 10am and 2pm) were listed as the days we are to be available to let the inspector in. I, like many others, work 5 days a week and can not take off.

I can test my own smoke detectors. Am I obligated to let an inspector inside my unit.

They threaten to assess monetary penalties if, after 3 attempts to schedule, the unit owner or tenant does not comply.

What are my rights?
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
I'm wondering if you would find the time to take a few hours off work to let the cable guy in?

Or the washing machine repairman?

Or the painter? Plumber?

Or some other similar, yet non-threatening, entity.

It's not like they're asking you to do it every week.

Only once every five years. . . . .

Instead of spending all the time and energy figuring out how not to accommodate, maybe a few rational minutes trying to work out a way to accommodate?

Once the inspection is over, you don't have to deal with it again for another five years.

On the other hand, if the inspection attempts pass without your compliance, you have to think about it for weeks and possibly months as you try to wrangle a way out of the repercussions.

Sounds like the same "cut off the nose to spite the face" antics in which my teenager often engaged.

Just sayin' . . .

GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
As Michele pointed out it would probably be easier in the long run to comply, however the answer as to whether or not the COA can fine you for not allowing them in should be in your CC&R's. While inspectors may be able to force entry into rental property to make sure required safety equipment is present and operational (doubtful) they more than likely cannot do it to your own home without a warrant. That is unless it is allowed in the documents you freely signed when you bought your home. Simply request the MC provide you with the BOD's authority to inspect and / or fine for no compliance.

BTW: Smoke detectors that are 10 years old are near the end of their service life and should be replaced. A smoke detector constantly monitors the air 24 hours a day. At the end of 10 years, it has gone through over 3.5 million monitoring cycles. After this much use, components may become less reliable. This means that as the detector gets older, the potential of failing to detect a fire increases. Replacing them after 10 years reduces this possibility.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Leo,
You have all kinds of rights but to not allow an inspection of safety items inside your unit is not one of them. Arrange to leave a key with someone if you cannot comply with the manditory inspection.

My rental condo does a once a year inspection of all plumbing, looking for leakt toilets and faucets which cost the association money when there are undetected leaks. It's just part of a shared unit responsibility. They can demand entry as most of the condos do have inspection written into their documents.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
I agree, much to do about nothing, accommodate the inspections. If you cannot do it request a different day or time.

But this does bring up an interesting real problem. Lots of condos in resort areas have a lot of absentee owners. Not only is it difficult to schedule a time (in this case the right of entry should be in your covenants), it also brings up the real fact that if no one is in a building or unit, who is going to hear the smoke alarm, even if you have one? Should the board require alarms systems that ring at a central location, such as a security co?

Anyone had an experience with this type system (maybe a new wireless technology).
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Robert,

Many times these are monitored systems and are hook up to a comapny such as ADT or Brinks, therefore any alarm will be on their screen immediatly.

Unless it is an older condo building without the entire building being joined into a system, it seems rather unusual that no one would hear an alarm. As I said in my earlier post, most condos that I have dealt with require absentee tenants to have a key on file with the office to insure that entry can be made in an emergency.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Thank you Donna,
Oh, for the perfect world.

We have six large buildings 65 units in aggregate. They are spread over a couple of acres. Each unit does have a key in the management office about a mile away. The majority of the time, about 7 months a year, other than an occasional renter there is only 3 or four of us here every day.......sort of. I have been here many many times that I am the sole person present, so..........unusual becomes the usual at times. I suspect this is true in a lot of places and when you think about it, many motels have sparse clients during the off season at tons of places.

I was just curious if there was anyone using a different system than smoke alarms. Here, as I am sure in many places with absentee owners, the batteries give out and no one knows that either as months can go by without anyone entering the unit.
Just the way it is.

But my post was worth it anyway as I got to say hello to you and encourage you to keep up your posting. I suspect we are sort of in the doldrums a little around here. But we have had some successful stories and that is nice.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Robert,
Doldrums could mean that things are running smoothly in the HOA world or maybe some of us who have an uncany nack of agitating the others are asleep at the wheel. Either way, nice to keep in touch. It is garden season up here so I am unusually busy, therefore, I will keep out of HOA trouble.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

I am so glad you said some of US. The Board here think my middlename is "troublemaker". But in the end, most know I got one thing in mind....................the health of the association...........and they forgive me, if not, they know I ain't gonna change. As confusing as all this stuff gets if you keep your direction, it makes decisions a lot easier to make.

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