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RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
I am still looking for a specific reference that describes when an Executive session is held.
Specifically:
1. Does the ES have to be part of a regular BOD meeting.

2. Can an ES be held the day before the regular Board meeting and then incorporated into the minutes of the regular meeting.

3. Are the Rules on ES binding, and if so, how do you contest action as explained in 1 and 2 above.

I have objected at a meeting, the BOD answers that Robert's Rules allow an ES to be held at any time. They will not show the reference nor can I find anything that describes ES being conducted other than as an internal part of a convened meeting.

This practice has now become common with the Board. These ES last a couple of hours and they are reported as no minutes were taken and no actions or decisions were made. Our by-laws direct that no minutes would be normally taken and I can understand why this is required.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
I've never heard of an ES meeting that was not a part of an officially called meeting (with a motions to go into the ES session) So . . No. ES meetings cannot be held by its own. Your Board is having Special Meetings - or an illegal board meeting. The purpose (reason) of the ES meeting has to be stated for the record. No other business can be discussed other than the stated subject.

Minutes CAN be taken at an ES - they are kept separate from the regular board minutes and proceeings are bound to secrecy by all who attend those ES meetings. It's usually personnel issues, disciplinary actions,private hearings with an H/O is arrears, or legal matters that are the subject to ES meetings.

However . . . if your bylaws give the Board power to meet like this, then so be it. (I doubt it)

RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Susan,
Thanks for your reply. No, there is no authority in our documents to meet in this manner...........nothing.

I agree, there is no doubt these meetings are illegal meetings, my problem is I can't find anywhere that specifically states when ES are held. All references I find refers to ES in the context of having the session in a meeting. Not that it matters, that some board members here on this site would take that as defacto evidence that the board is allowed to hold ES this way, simply because they can. We will have new elections in April and a sort of new broom will come in. I have supported our Board and association for close to 20 years, have seen lots of water go under the bridge. My interests are the association, first and last, but, if this conduct is repeated by the new board, it would be the one thing that would cause me to close up my tent and join the ranks of the apathetic.

SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
If it ain't in writing, it doesn't exist.

So, unless this is covered in your own documents, state statutes, or other governing rules, then the power does not exist.

"motioning to go into ES" IS covered in Roberts Rules - but NOT how you are describing they way your board does it.

Instead of trying to prove how NOT to do something, educate them on how TO DO what they need to accomplish. Perhaps the board just wants some privacy. I don't blame them.

I am not one who advocates having an audience to all parts of a board meeting. I think it stifles open debate. The Board should speak with one voice. How that happens must be allowed sometimes in privacy.

Encourage them to have announced work sessions - chances are, no one will show up if it's held early Sat. or Sun. AM

RalphD (Delaware)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Robert,

I haven't taken the time to look it up but it is there. Perhaps this link will help you.

http://www.rulesonline.com

DeirdreN (Florida)
Posts: 7
Posted:
Robert, have you looked up the statutes of your state? In Florida, the statutes clearly lay out the circumstances in which a private board meeting can be held. If your board is violating state law you have a right to submit a formal complaint against the board.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RobertR1 on 03/16/2009 12:21 AM
I am still looking for a specific reference that describes when an Executive session is held.
Specifically:
1. Does the ES have to be part of a regular BOD meeting.

2. Can an ES be held the day before the regular Board meeting and then incorporated into the minutes of the regular meeting.

3. Are the Rules on ES binding, and if so, how do you contest action as explained in 1 and 2 above.

I have objected at a meeting, the BOD answers that Robert's Rules allow an ES to be held at any time. They will not show the reference nor can I find anything that describes ES being conducted other than as an internal part of a convened meeting.

This practice has now become common with the Board. These ES last a couple of hours and they are reported as no minutes were taken and no actions or decisions were made. Our by-laws direct that no minutes would be normally taken and I can understand why this is required.

Robert,

First of all, unless your gov doc state ROR shall be used for parlimentary procedures, it doesn't matter what that book says. I live in a state that has an open meeting law and addresses closed (executive) sessions and no where does it state a closed session cannot take place w/o a regular session. The closed session is not a part of the regular session; it's a whole meeting unto its own with it's own agenda and minutes. In some states, it may be a requirement to report on the proceedings of the closed session in the next regular session, but that is not the case in AZ. IMO, a closed session can take place at any time the BOD feels it is warranted. If your gov docs of state law require board meeting to be noticed then those same notice requirements would pertain to the closed session. Normally formal actions are not taken in a closed session, but if your docs or state law allow this, then those actions are binding as though they had taken place in a regular open meeting. If your docs are silent on closed sessions and there are no state laws addressing this issue, then the BOD is free to act as they wish. This is one reason why I'm glad my state has an open meeting law which would prevent a board from conducting the bulk of their business in a closed session. BTW, in AZ, minutes taken in a closed session are confidential and cannot be made available to members of the assn. The reason is because only confidential info can be discussed in a closed session.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Deirdre,
Thank you for your advice and interest. This has been a long standing problem that has gotten worse. The old slate will be gone next month and a new one seated. I look for things to improve dramatically. However, I would like to get the proper procedures listed and incorporated into our documents at some point.
The Board's decision to do this kind of stuff is simply a function that no one objects. Apathy problem.
Just this morning the current president was approached and asked if the next scheduled Board meeting is a Executive Session or a Board Meeting? His answer was an ES. When asked what was the stated reason for this meeting he was told to: Discuss the Annual Meeting and an owner had made a request to be put on the agenda. The owner (I believe) is the Presidents wife. Now both these items should be handled in a Regular Board mmeting........clearly. Now, if they run true to form they will at sometime, whenever they decide to hold a Board meeting, state that an ES was held on (whatever date) and no decisions were reached and no votes were taken. Board clearly out of control.
I want this whole business to be made transparent and a resolution by the next board that this practice is improper and will not be repeated.

I have checked all state statutes and anything else I can think of, but this kind of stuff is so far beyond the pale, there is no reference to it. It is sort of like, the Board saying, I am going to sell tickets to the Blah Blah Private institute Ball and if I can't sell 300 tickets, I will assess each owner $50.00. I doubt if you will find anything that says you can't do this specific thing, but that does not make it proper to do it. I have also talked with different groups privately about this practice, and their respond was they think it is wrong, but, finding a specific reference is another problem all together.

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