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SteveW9 (New Mexico)
Posts: 37
Posted:
Our neighbor has a dog that barks all of the time. Our neighbors, including us, have talked to the dog owner and he does nothing to stop the barking.

Here is the actual wording in the HOA Rules and Reg.

Animals and Pets: No animals, livestock, or poultry of any kind shall be raised, bred, or kept on any portion of the propertiresie, except that dogs, cats, or other usual and common household pets not to exceed a total of two may be permitted in a unit. However, those pets which are permitted to roam free, or, in the sole discretion of the Association, endanger the health, make objectionable noise, or constitute a nuisance of inconvenience to the owners of other units or the owner of any portion of the properties shall be removed upon request of the board. If the owner fails to honor such request, the pet may be removed by the board. No pets shall be kept, bred, or maintained for any commerical purpose. Dogs shall, al all times whenever they are outside a unit, be confined on a leash held by a responsible person.

What should we do?
DarylF (Washington)
Posts: 157
Posted:
Check your county/state laws. Here if a dog is outside barking for fore then 10 consecutive minutes it's considered cruelty to animals.
JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 967
Posted:
"...make objectionable noise, or constitute a nuisance of inconvenience to the owners of other units or the owner of any portion of the properties shall be removed upon request of the board. If the owner fails to honor such request, the pet may be removed by the board."

What should you do?

Show the HO this language, ask that the rules be followed or...

Your BOD is prepared to do what?
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Steve,

IMO the BOD should adopt a rule pertaining to barking dogs. My city recently changed the barking dog code to require 3 neighbors to complain b/4 they will take action. I don't think the board should take any action if only 1 neighbor complains as it could really be a case of that neighbor not liking their neighbor. I can certainly understand the frustration because I have a neighbor with a barking dog!
MikeS1
Posts: 521
Posted:
Does your area have a noise ordinance? Depending when the barking occurs, they might be breaking a noise ordinance.
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
Great advice to try to let the city ordnances handle it, then SUPER advice from JohnK...
It's obvious that the board CAN do something, the thing to ask before getting in too deep is what John asked: what is the board willing to do?

I notice the board can't fine the owner, but they can remove the animal. Great luck with that! I know my response to some board member wanting to come into my home and remove my dog... The board should be very well prepared to understand what they are willing to do, and not do.

Side note: This is similar to boilerplate language about pets i have seen elsewhere.. have any boards experienced having to remove/fine HOs for having an aquarium? I seldom see aquariums with only 2 fish (beta's being an exception), so how do you enforce this rule on a school of guppies or so?

CharlesH9 (Michigan)
Posts: 123
Posted:
That's a great question Brian. How about a hamster, gerbil and 3 fish? Certainly some people have more than 2 pets.
SteveW9 (New Mexico)
Posts: 37
Posted:
My sister in NC asked me for your advice and opinions. Today at 5PM Eastern Time she had a meeting with her HOA board of directors. Here is her reply:

They were SO supportive I couldn't believe it. As a matter of fact one of the board members said that he had a neighbor one time that had a dog and they left it out at dark. He called the sheriff 18 times. The rest of the board members all said I didn't need to apologize for complaining. They also assured me that we wouldn't be embarrassed. They would handle it in a way that they didn't use our names(of course the neighbors will know, but it was nice of them to say that). As I was leaving I heard one of the gentlemen say to another--"Alright, you're going to handle this one". And they were all laughing(not at me). Just at the man who had the job to do. I felt so relieved when I left. They were wonderful. Now I'm going to be watching as to how they handle it and the response we get from the neighbor. Any suggestions on responding to the neighbors if they approach us?
DorothyO (Washington)
Posts: 293
Posted:
I'd be very surprised if your CC&R's allowing you to remove a dog wouldn't be breaking your city or county laws.

I've been in the same situation as you. I first talked to all the adjacent homeowners and asked how the dogs were effecting them. I then called Animal Control and gave her all the information and asked for her suggestions and what the law was. I then talked to the homeowner, armed with packets on barking dogs, the city ordinance, the complaints from the neighbors, and the Animal Control Officer's name and number. He took the suggestions and the dogs stopped barking for a good while.
Then about a year later, it all started up again.

In my city the Animal Control gets a history on the dog from whomever calls in, and it can be anonymous. The dog is allowed to bark for 20 minutes between 7:00 a.m. and 10 p.m., and for 10 minutes between 10:00 p.m and 7:00 a.m. Once the AC Officer gets the call he/she will go out and sit for the allotted time and listen. If, indeed the dog is barking the officer will issue a warning citation to the homeowner. If this happens three times, the owner gets fined $125 the first time, and each time after that another $125 until the third time, when the dog can be removed from the home, ONLY by the city.

Our homeowner got fined $125, but because it was a regular patrol officer and not an animal control officer that responded to the call, he could only sit for 17 minutes before he got called away. The case was dismissed because of those three minutes! My AC office was quite upset. Then for a year they had no history because the neighboring homeowner gave up and only called the dog owner, which does nothing.

The AC officer said that in the seven years she's been doing this they've removed one dog from the home and that's because conditions were abusive. She said if an officer can't come out, the complaining neighbor should tape the barking, mark the time and be prepared to go to court. Having said all this, it is incredibly hard to deal with barking dogs. The effected must be willing to call every time the dog is barking, not the homeowner, but Animal Control so they will have the history. The homeowner already knows he is not doing anything about it. The association must be willing to fine him, if you have a system of CC&R violation fines set up. It must be willing to slap a lien on the property if he does not pay the fines or solve the problem.

But most importantly, you have to work with your animal control officer, work with the complaining neighbors, and be upfront with the homeowner, getting everything in writing. In my opinion, barking dogs are the worst problem there is. Our AC officer said that barking dogs are the number one neighbor dispute and the most damaging, due to disrupted sleep, ceaseless noise, violent altercations and, my personal favorite, the universal dog owners response, "Oh he's not barking that much."

Good luck.

Dorothy
MarciiaB (New Mexico)
Posts: 36
Posted:
We are also in New Mexico and with our rules and regulations, simply warn the owner, then if it continues, begin fines. The barking dogs received "bark collars" and were quiet for months.
We tried Animal Control in our city for an issue involving dog waste in a backyard and apparently, they have no authority to issue fines unless the owner of the dogs responds to the "tag" left on their door. That may just be a situation particular to our city but it wasn't effective at all.
The resident didn't respond to animal control because they knew what the issue was. So, we fined the owner of the unit and told him to have his tenants clean it up. Usually when a fine is issued it resolves the problem.
However, we note that so far this year we have 16 dogs in a 64 unit development and no place for them to be exercised. We're waiting to see how barking and dog waste issues evolve this summer.

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