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JohnF8 (Maryland)
Posts: 7
Posted:
Hello everyone out there in HOA land,
wondering if any of you live in a "green" community, and have any advise on how to convert ,or begin to convert ,a small 112 townhome community, to a greener more earth friendly neighborhood .
By the way, isn't this a great website ?

John
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

John,

Yes, this IS a great site for all of us to share thoughts, ideas and problems.

You are on a subject that I am passionate about. I am a Certified Master Gardener for Hamilton County Tn. Our community of Chattanooga is amoung the best in "Going Green" in our State. The Mayor is a huge proponant of this concept, along with State officials.

Okay, to answer your question. The number one use of water, including the waste of water is LANDSCAPE and that is 55+ %. The answer is called Xeriscape which means that you landscape with Native plants, use the site according to it's slope and how it faces the sun, plants that are drought tollerant and disease resistant and an even mix of desiduous and evergreen. (I just won a State award for a "green" project) Anyhow, this is something that your community can start on without much initial output of cash.

Encourage the use of recycling. Don't use mulch where you can use a groundcover planting. Change all of the exterior lightbulbs to the energy efficient ones. They cost more initually but save tons of cash when there are many installed.

Solar is great for some lighting but right now, it does have expensive drawbacks like the cost of batteries to operate the systems.
JohnF8 (Maryland)
Posts: 7
Posted:
Donna,
thanks for your suggestions. Sounds like a good place to start, with the conserving of water ! We have actually already started some projects like that with the planting of native and drought tolerant plants .

John

KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
I would also note that solar water heaters are often a great bet. In many areas they have a payback of five to eight years. Further, the installation need not detract from the look of the neighborhood.

Another thing to look at is choice of roofing material and color.

Donna can also talk to you about rain water collection.
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
My advice, worth less than 2 cents...

Use your common sense to define "green", and not the common market or madison avenue/pundits. The advice you already got here about saving water, for example, is great: Using less water is almost always a great idea, beneficial in almost every way. less water in landscaping, good idea.

Sometimes, in the rush to be green, we actually can be worse. Lower flow shower heads, normally a good idea, but some people use more water with a low flow than with a normal flow, for example, which reduces their "greeness".

Ripping out existing plants, and redoing the entire area with Xeriscape might or might not be green effective: if you hire trucks and equipment and labor who drive personal vehicles every day, then more trucks to bring gravel, and more equipment to spread it, and tons of chemicals to maintain weed free rocks over the next few years, and leaf blowers with 2 cycle engines every week to keep it leaf free, you lose a lot of "greeness"... But replacing areas gradually, with native species, etc. in a simple, controlled and casual manner is more green. Educating people that a few leaves are beautiful, and a sign of nature, is smart. SPending $5 in gasoline and oil to blow that leaf around for a half hour isn't.

Removing all light bulbs and tossing them in the trash, and replacing with CFL's isn't as green as gradually replacing the bulbs as they burn out with CFL's (and we can discuss the hazwaste greeness of CFL manufacturing and disposal later). You get the same results eventually, but with less waste and cost if you take your time. Gradually educating your residents that they don't need 24 hours of daylight is helpful too, and allowing a light or two to be dimmer, or even out, can be green!

One of my favorite "green" stories is an all organic, "local" pineapple marketed by a famous "green" grocer. It's organically grown in Hawaii (whatever that means), and then, to preserve the green factor, it is shipped to Taiwan, where it is processed organically/by hand, with no chemicals except water (try not to think of all those hands that touch your pineapple that had nothing but water to cleanse them), and then packed and shipped back to the US, for "local" consumption and organic greeness... How much oil was used to ship that Pineapple across the pacific and back that could have been saved by canning it in Hawaii and shipping direct?

It's hard to be green, i guess my advice is to trust yourself, do it smart, and don't believe the greeness of anything that someone wants to sell you.. think about it first, and look at all the sides. We didn't get to be where we are in a week, we won't become guardians of the earth in a week either.
EllenS1 (Florida)
Posts: 1,148
Posted:
Donna,

I admire your taking part on green projects and agree that xeriscaping is the way to go. However, I can't agree that the cost of removing plantings and replacing with native plants will be "without much initial output of cash). All of your other suggestions are great!
EllenS1 (Florida)
Posts: 1,148
Posted:
Brian,

What a great post and lots to think about. I have been known to say I will use low flow shower heads when they stop watering golf courses. That could be because I was a golf widow..LOL. Seriously I only spend about 5 minutes or so in the shower and refuse to give up the enjoyment of a good hard flow of water.

I also see "greenies" at my grocery store who buy those canvas bags to save the environment checking out lots of bottled water. Now these bottles need to be shipped and then end up in a landfill. I get mine from the spigot. No shipping and no waste to be recyled. Different strokes for different folks. I am switching to the new light bulbs and hope they can come up with a way to safely dispose of them.
BarbaraD6 (Florida)
Posts: 347
Posted:
Donna,
Can we talk off this forum,I would love to get your wisdom on our landscaping. I called in a master gardener, but we didn't get the help we wanted
thanks
Barbara
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DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Ellen,

Doing things green also does not mean tearing everything out and starting new. Replace only vegetation that is old, not water efficient or you can recycle many to other areas. Going green also means NOT filling the landfills with torn out stuff. Having lived in Florida, I know the waste that the landscapers dump. What the State needs to mandate is that they mulch up all of yard waste. For the Non Florida posters, the highest elevation in South Florida is the giant landfill in Palm Becah County.
KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
One misconception that Brian put out to be addressed:
Xeriscaping does not mean ripping out vegetation in favor of rocks. It is using native and other plants that will require minimal extra water. It involves using plants that are adapted to the soil types you have and thus reducing the amount of fertilizer that is needed.
TracyT (Maryland)
Posts: 228
Posted:
We cancelled the daily newspaper it just kept going straight to the recycle bin. Unfortunately, the grocery stores decided to have their sales from Wed. to Wed. instead of Sun. to Sun. so we still get a Wed. paper.

We "opted out" of those credit card solicitations and other advertising. www.optout.com you can do it on-line, over the phone or by snail-mail but the stuffing in my mail box has been greatly reduced. There’s a good wikipedia article on the subject.

We are also gradually switching to the new light bulbs. The packaging requests that you dispose of them at the landfill. Hopefully, by the time we need to start disposing of them there will be a re-cycle program. In the mean time I’ll stash them with the batteries that also go directly to the landfill.

The thermostat is set to ~70F in winter (yes this is a splurge but I still have to use multiple layers of clothing) and 80F in summer. We have a switch on the AC that allows the cycling during high peaks and plan to get a programmable thermostat.

I also, get my drinking water from the spigot. I’ve tried to re-cycle shower water to use for my plants but it’s difficult to handle the now heavy and bulky bucket. I’m considering a rain collection barrel but am concerned about breeding mosquitoes. I’m also pretty sure the shower head is low-flow.

Not sure where I head this from but we sometimes have an evening without lights. We light candles for a few hours, cook on the grill and chat or play Scrabble. It’s great fun!
EllenS1 (Florida)
Posts: 1,148
Posted:
Donna,

Now I've gotcha and see what you mean, replace old plants with less demands of our resources. I sure agree with you. I lived in South Florida for many years and admired the beautiful lawns but didn't realize the cost to the environment until recently. It is so sad to see nations who don't have enough drinking water while we wallow in an excess to have the most beautiful lawn in the neighborhood. I hope more people will be aware and thank you for your contribution.
EllenS1 (Florida)
Posts: 1,148
Posted:
Tracy,

Oh my gosh if I could only stop all the advertisements I receive every Thurday which goes directly to recylce without even being looked at in addition to all other promotional mail. I'll try the optout site.

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