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BarbaraD6 (Florida)
Posts: 347
Posted:
As a new board,one board member suggested the next meeting be a "workshop". He explained it would be for the board to discuss issues(no homeowners are allowed to talk at this meeting,and the board can't vote on anything) I don't see anything in the docs about this. Doesn't anyone else have these "workshops".
Barbara
JimF2 (New Jersey)
Posts: 9
Posted:
we call them "executive working sessions", and we have them monthly.

We wouldn't get anything accomplished without them.

-JF
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Your bylaws may state when board meetings MUST be held. So you can't subsitute this workshop for the Board meeting.

You can have all the workshops, seminars, etc. you want, as long as you follow governing documents. (I have a problem with the "no-input from residents" part, though. Ideas come from discussion, and everyone should be at the table before the info is brought to the board for a vote)
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Barbara,

You may want to check out the state statutes, which if I'm not mistaken, do state all meetings of the board must be open to members. Even though workshops may not be explicitly stated, if a quorum of the board is present then it is a meeting. At least this is the interpretation of the AG of AZ regarding open meetings. BTW, why would you not want members present? The Pres. should state at the beginning of the meeting that this is not the time to gripe about anything, so no complaints will be heard. But helpful suggestions regarding the topic being discussed would be appreciated. A workshop should be an informal, roundtable discussion with no motions being made and no voting. The Secretary should keep minutes of this meeting just as she would for a regular board meeting.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Barbara,

We did "workshops" all of the time, especially prior to Budget and amendment changes. These are also required to be posted 48 hours prior to their happening. But we ALLOWED the membership to participate in the discussions. This is the only vehicle that Florida Statutes allow the membership to openly interact with the Board or committee, whichever is holding the workshop. Our only requirement was that people wishing to speak should raise their hand and wait to be reccognized by the presiding officer.

This is a great time to find out in an informal setting what the membership wants or thinks. No voting is done, only discussions. Board meetings are where the Board should be discussion issues and then voting. Open these up to the membership and see how many people might have good input.
SidneyP (Florida)
Posts: 302
Posted:
Hi Ms Donna....we are having what the "new MC" is calling an informal meeting tonight. I expressed my opinion that even an informal meeting should be posted, to allow HO's the chance to attend....I was told that since we were not voting that it need not be posted....I would very much appreciate you telling me where I may find information as reguarding the p[osting of both formal and informal meetings must be posted.

You know what a mess my HOA is and I feel that offering and seeking input from HO's would /could bring our community closer together. This was something that was never done in the past....When I expressed my opinion I was shut down. I had even suggested that tenants be invited (out of 77 units, we have 60 rentals), this is something we ar stuck with and feel by including them would help us improve our community.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Sidny,
Your new M.C is not getting off to a good start IMHO. ALL meetings of the Board and their committees are open to the membership. ALL!!

720:303 Meeting of the Board: (2) BOARD MEETINGS.--

(a) A meeting of the board of directors of an association occurs whenever a quorum of the board gathers to conduct association business. All meetings of the board must be open to all members except for meetings between the board and its attorney with respect to proposed or pending litigation where the contents of the discussion would otherwise be governed by the attorney-client privilege. The provisions of this subsection shall also apply to the meetings of any committee or other similar body when a final decision will be made regarding the expenditure of association funds and to meetings of any body vested with the power to approve or disapprove architectural decisions with respect to a specific parcel of residential property owned by a member of the community.

1. Notices of all board meetings must be posted in a conspicuous place in the community at least 48 hours in advance of a meeting, except in an emergency. .

BarbaraD6 (Florida)
Posts: 347
Posted:
Donna,
Homeowners are allowed to be present,but are just supposed to sit quietly. Would this violate the florida statute?
Barbara
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Barbara,
There is no rule that homeowners have to sit there quietly. A workshop is just an informal meeting of members and or committees. Other than proper notification and being open to the membership, there are no rules governing how it is held. Open it up at least this one time to the owners and see what and how it goes. You might be suprised at what they have to say. Let's just hope that a couple of the radical Fl posters don't appear.
EllenS1 (Florida)
Posts: 1,148
Posted:
I agree with Donna entirely. Who knows where "pearls of wisdom" will come from? Also, what would be the harm in having workshops open to all owners?
BarbaraD6 (Florida)
Posts: 347
Posted:
I wouldn't have a problem with it.Some bod members said "no member involvement" and I wanted to find out if this was law,like they said.Upon researching many things that have been said was the law, I would find out that they were incorrect. So I always want the docs or florida law to back up what I say.
thanks
Barbara
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Barbara,
Now if all Boards looked at the Statutes before they make some of these rules and statements, we would have so much less conflict. I never went to any BOD meeting without a copy of 720. I made copies for every BOD and we read them before a meeting if there was a specific subject that we would be addressing. Never have too much information, that's my motto. It's too bad that your Board wants no member involvement. You should copt this thread and show them that there is another way to have a workshop. Only the members are being shorted out here.
BarbaraD6 (Florida)
Posts: 347
Posted:
Donna,
When you have power hungry people come on a board,the homowners needs go right out the window.
Barbara
AnneH2 (Florida)
Posts: 82
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By SidneyP on 02/23/2009 11:58 AM
Hi Ms Donna....we are having what the "new MC" is calling an informal meeting tonight. I expressed my opinion that even an informal meeting should be posted, to allow HO's the chance to attend....I was told that since we were not voting that it need not be posted....I would very much appreciate you telling me where I may find information as reguarding the p[osting of both formal and informal meetings must be posted.

You know what a mess my HOA is and I feel that offering and seeking input from HO's would /could bring our community closer together. This was something that was never done in the past....When I expressed my opinion I was shut down. I had even suggested that tenants be invited (out of 77 units, we have 60 rentals), this is something we ar stuck with and feel by including them would help us improve our community.

Sidney- Run, don't walk, to a new PM company if you were told that a quorum of the board could meet without noticing the meeting. There is only one case in which a board can meet without homeowners - when meeting with an attorney to discuss legal or potential legal issues.

Florida Staute 720.303 (2) BOARD MEETINGS.--
(a) A meeting of the board of directors of an association occurs whenever a quorum of the board gathers to conduct association business. All meetings of the board must be open to all members except for meetings between the board and its attorney with respect to proposed or pending litigation where the contents of the discussion would otherwise be governed by the attorney-client privilege.

I love your idea of opening the workshop to all, including tenants. The more info and education that folks have, the better, IMO.
RuthB7 (Florida)
Posts: 1
Posted:
FS 720 refers to land owned property. FS 723 governs land lease communities. Statute states the same as to meetings of the board/committees if quorum of directors present. The executive committee consists of the four board officers and past president. The current executive committee consists of a quorum of board members therefore any executive committee meeting must be open to the members.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
This is an old post - if anyone has questions or concerns about this subject, its best to start a new conversation to get updated information

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius

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