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BarbaraD6 (Florida)
Posts: 347
Posted:
We have 4 properties that filed bankruptcy,4 placed foreclosures,18 that we are getting a lien put on them,5 given demand letter for payment,4 given reminder letter.(Their are others already in that have liens and have foreclosured).They have violated the bylaws by not paying the HOA fees. They were never sent any violation letters,do they still have their voting rights?
Barbara
MarciiaB (New Mexico)
Posts: 36
Posted:
Our By-Laws give the board the right to create resolutions pertaining to voting rights and if a homeowner is in arrears with dues or fines, we suspend their voting privileges until they pay. This is in New Mexico, you might want to see if your state has specific laws against doing that.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
In Kentucky we do not need to "send notice of violation" in order to suspend voting rights for non-payment of assessments.

We send the statement in November of the year prior to the assessment period (it's an annual assessment).

The governing documents state that if payment is not made by January 1 of the year the assessments cover, then the homeowner is considered "not in good standing," and forfeits voting rights.

So if January 2 comes around, and the title owner of record hasn't paid, automatic suspension.

We DO send courtesy 2nd and 3rd notices for payment, but they do not receive any other mailings or meeting notices, including notice for nominations and notices for annual meeting, until reinstated to member in good standing.

That is also per our governing docs.

DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:


Barbara,
It's the same old answer but it is the law. I copied the portion of Statute 720:305 which covers this. See the first word of the paragraph? It says "IF" the governing documents, which will be your answer. There is more to the section so please do read it.

"3) If the governing documents so provide, an association may suspend the voting rights of a member for the nonpayment of regular annual assessments that are delinquent in excess of 90 days"
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Barbara,

Donna posted the statute, but it all depends upon your gov. docs. Do they say a member's voting rights are suspended if in violation of the CCRs or delinquent in paying assessments. I believe this is standard in most assn docs. Regardless of whether or not a member has received a violation notice, if this statement is in your docs then their voting rights can be suspended.
EllenS1 (Florida)
Posts: 1,148
Posted:
Barbara,

What do your docs say about voting rights for owners who are behind in their assessments? Whether or not they received a letter they are still delinquent.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Barbara,
I would think in view of the extent these foreclosures are effecting your association, I would think the Board would want to call a special meeting to go over with all members what the Boards actions are going to be. These steps will have to conform to the covenants and any state statutes or any other stipulations in your documents with any amendments that have been added. The Board should adopt their position as a resolution and send out the procedures to all members.

What has been suggested so far is certainly valid but you sound like you are really going to have your hands full and all pertient information on one page may help to simplify any action that has to be taken.

Very very distressing to read posts like this. My best to all you folks.
BarbaraD6 (Florida)
Posts: 347
Posted:
Thank you all for your input. "The association may record a lien against any lot, including declarant's lots,to secure payment of assessments that remain unpaid for a period of 30 days or longer after becoming due.". Nothing about suspending voting rights.
The only thing mentioned about suspending the vote was what I pointed out earlier and that was under the heading of "enforcement"(which was for any violations)
I wish our docs were as clear as some of yours. Does this mean we can lien them,but they keep thier voting rights?
Barbara
BarbaraD6 (Florida)
Posts: 347
Posted:
I think I found it, the following florida statute says we can suspend rights of members for "a reasonable time".How long is that,until they pay? It looks like we will have to go thought our "enforcement" chapter.
If the governing documents so provide, an association may suspend, for a reasonable period of time, the rights of a member or a member's tenants, guests, or invitees, or both, to use common areas and facilities and may levy reasonable fines, not to exceed $100 per violation, against any member or any tenant, guest, or invitee. A fine may be levied on the basis of each day of a continuing violation, with a single notice and opportunity for hearing, except that no such fine shall exceed $1,000 in the aggregate unless otherwise provided in the governing documents. A fine shall not become a lien against a parcel. In any action to recover a fine, the prevailing party is entitled to collect its reasonable attorney's fees and costs from the nonprevailing party as determined by the court.

(a) A fine or suspension may not be imposed without notice of at least 14 days to the person sought to be fined or suspended and an opportunity for a hearing before a committee of at least three members appointed by the board who are not officers, directors, or employees of the association, or the spouse, parent, child, brother, or sister of an officer, director, or employee. If the committee, by majority vote, does not approve a proposed fine or suspension, it may not be imposed
Barbara
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Barbara,

And paragraph 3)(from 720:305) is what I posted above which is what you originally asked.

"3) If the governing documents so provide, an association may suspend the voting rights of a member for the nonpayment of regular annual assessments that are delinquent in excess of 90 days"
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Barbara,

Also after rereading your original post, the delinquencies are not fineable issues, therefore, you are looking at this incorrectly. Yes, letters should be sent, stateing that dues are in arrears but you cannot fine them daily for being in noncompliance. But YES, they lose their voting rights if in arrears for 90 days and with proper notification.

you said-"They have violated the bylaws by not paying the HOA fees. They were never sent any violation letters,do they still have their voting rights? "
Barbara
BarbaraD6 (Florida)
Posts: 347
Posted:
Donna,
My brain is fried,I just realized that when a owner is late with payment a "reminder letter" is sent,(I think 30 days)if not paid a "demand letter" is sent,then intent to lien,lien,foreclosure. Wouldn't these letters serve as written notice? But the proposed sanction is always fines,intent to lien,etc.Voting rights are never mentioned. Would we just add to the letters "you will also lose voting rights" if not paid within X time? Although our docs say we can lien at 30 days,I would follow the florida statute's timeline of 90 days for removal of voting rights,right? I hope I got it right now. Your help and patience is GREATLY APPRECIATED!!!
Barbara
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

There you go my friend, you got it right. The letters are notice but you must send out 2 and give them 90 days. DO putit-(loss of rights) in the documents but it needs to go thru an amendment by the members.
BarbaraD6 (Florida)
Posts: 347
Posted:
Thanks so much. Hopefully last round. In our Declaratin of Covenants 7.4 Enforcement-The associaion,acting through the board,may impose sanctions for violations of the governing docs, subject to the notice and hearing procedures set forth in the by-laws. as applicable. Such sanctions may include,without limitation(ii)suspending the vote attributable
Now the by-laws 3.23 enforcement-The association may impose sanctions for any violations of the governing docs. To the extent the declaration of covenants or florida law speciafically requires, the board shall comply with the following procedures prior to imposition of sanctions.( The ones I listed for you)So the declaration is telling what sanctions can be taken and the by-laws tell the procedures. I think we are covered without an amendment.Am I right?
Barbara
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Barbara,

RIGHT ON
BarbaraD6 (Florida)
Posts: 347
Posted:
Donna,
THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HELP
Barbara

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