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GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
Posts: 975
Posted:
HB 1085 is up for a second reading and vote today in the Indiana General Assembly. It has been approved by committee.

The bill prohibits homeowners associations from prohibiting political signs on private property 30 days before an election and 5 days following an election. It does allow the association to restrict size, location not on private property, and number.

It also permits a homeowners association to remove a sign that in violation of the law and association rules.

You can read the bill as it came out of committee at http://www.in.gov/legislative/bills/2009/HB/HB1085.1.html
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
The bill is almost word for word what our restriction is.

MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
George,

Sounds good! Here is AZ statute on political signs. You may find something to add to yours -- note ours gives the size of a political sign. This statute only applies to planned communities; there is no similiar condo statute.

33-1808. Flag display; political signs; caution signs; for sale signs; political petitions

C. Notwithstanding any provision in the community documents, an association shall not prohibit the indoor or outdoor display of a political sign by an association member on that member's property, except that an association may prohibit the display of political signs earlier than forty-five days before the day of an election and later than seven days after an election day. An association may regulate the size and number of political signs that may be placed on a member's property if the association's regulation is no more restrictive than any applicable city, town or county ordinance that regulates the size and number of political signs on residential property. If the city, town or county in which the property is located does not regulate the size and number of political signs on residential property, the association shall permit at least one political sign with the maximum dimensions of twenty-four inches by twenty-four inches on a member's property. For the purposes of this subsection, "political sign" means a sign that attempts to influence the outcome of an election, including supporting or opposing the recall of a public officer or supporting or opposing the circulation of a petition for a ballot measure, question or proposition or the recall of a public officer.

GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
Posts: 975
Posted:
The political sign legislation passed the Indiana House of Representatives 91/5/2/2 and is being sponsored in the Senate by Senator Delph.

The bill as passed can be read here:

http://www.in.gov/legislative/bills/2009/HB/HB1085.1.html
JoyceS1 (Indiana)
Posts: 140
Posted:
Indiana is relatively new to HOAs. What is prompting this legislation? It appears the legislation has not been researched or given much thought.
KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
The issue I see is in this phrase:
Quote:
Restrict the number of signs that may be displayed if the rule permits a homeowner to display a reasonable number of signs.

The problem I see is that what is reasonable is too vague. Some will state that given that an owner agreed to no signs, no signs is a reasonable number. Or perhaps they will say a single sign is reasonable.

If people were able to deal with such things as reasonable display of political signs then this bill would have no place. It is only an issue because some people can't come to terms with the issue. And unfortunately, many people don't have enough sense to vote out board members who don't have a clue. (Well, actually the last statement could probably be related to all levels of government as well.)
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Kirk,

Good point! Legislators really like to use "reasonable"! Thank goodness the AZ statute applying to political signs was one piece of legislation that was spared. Note our statute allows the HOA to regulate based upon local city/county regulations, if there aren't any they must allow at least one.
KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
To be honest, I have no problem with reasonable limitations. But I (honestly) don't know what constitutes reasonable. I think it is higher then a single sign. I suppose if writing it I would state a single sign per issue/candidate with a top limit of five signs.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Kirk,

You stated: "But I (honestly) don't know what constitutes reasonable." And, IMO, therein lies the problem with use of that term. One can only guess what "reasonable" is and it never fails that, in many instances, the BOD will have a different opinion than the members do!!
EllenS1 (Florida)
Posts: 1,148
Posted:
Kirk,

Our docs are silent on political signs. My daughter who lives in the same hoa and I put out one sign each. We live in a very conservative area and our signs disappeared almost immediately while many signs for the conservatives stayed in place. She was also sent a violation notice from the managment company BUT no conservatives were told to take their signs down. I thought we lived in a nation with free thought. We solved the situation. My daughter nailed her sign high up on a tree and I put my sign out every day and took it in at night. I would never give up my rights without a court battle regardless of what docs say. IF our docs are changed to say NO political signs I would abide by that but if not I'll continue to exercise my rights.

It is sad to say but I didn't put any political sign on my car for fear that my car would be keyed or damaged in some way. Sad, isn't it?
GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
Posts: 975
Posted:
Another sign regulation approach has been added to HB 1071, now in the Indiana Senate Judiciary Committee, having passed the House.
    Sec. 12. If the governing documents contain a provision concerning the display of yard signs in a subdivision, the provision may not be more restrictive than any applicable local ordinance concerning the display of:
    (1) politically related yard signs; or
    (2) yard signs concerning the sale of real property.
I think this is a more sensible approach, leaving regulation of political (and real estate) signs up to the local municipality. Should HB 1071 pass, it will eliminate the need for HB 1085.

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