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BarbaraD6 (Florida)
Posts: 347
Posted:
Our governing docs state "The reserve funds held in each account may be expended only for major maintenance,repair,or replacement of those assets covered by the reserve budget pursuant to which they were collected.The reserve funds may be used as an asset for the purpose of obtaining performance or payment bonds for the association.Subject to such limitation, the board may adopt resolutions regarding the expenditure of any reserve funds including,without limitation,policies designationg the nature of assets for which reserve funds may be expended. Neither the association membership nor the board shall adopt,modify,limit,or expand such policies without declarant's prior written consent during the development and sale period."
Florida statute 720.303 6fand h couldn't fit all of f and h
Once a reserve account or reserve accounts are estabished,the membership of the association,upon a majority vote at a meeting at which a quorum is present,may provide for no reserves or less reserves than required by this section.If a meeting of the unit owners has been called to determine whether to waive or reduce the funding of reserves and no such result is achieved or a quorum is not present,the reserves as included in the budget shall go into effect.
(h) Reserve funds and any interest accruing thereon shall remain in the reserve accunts or accounts and shall be used only for authoritzed reserve expenditures unless their use for other purposes is approved in advance by a majority vote at a meeting at which a quorum is present.
Management took $35,000 out of reserve(given authority by 1 board member)Took additonal $17,000(authority given by 2 board members)I said he had no authority to take it and I think he violated the law.He said he can do it to "keep the water and electricy on" What do you think? Barbara
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Barbara,

Are you still under the Developers control? You say that "Management" took out the Resrve money and he said it was "to keep the water and electricity on" What does that mean? Who is management?

And YES, by the Statute, only by a vote of the membership can Reserve Funds be removed for use other than what the fund is slated for use.
GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
Posts: 975
Posted:
I think you are barking up the wrong tree, Barbara. If money had to be taken from the reserve fund to keep the electricity and water on, then you have a much more serious problem than where the money came from.

You need to be concerned why assessments are not sufficient to pay for water and electricity. And you need to be concerned about the impact of not paying those bills.
BarbaraD6 (Florida)
Posts: 347
Posted:
Donna,
We are no longer under "developers control" Our property management company. He was hired(not according to the governing docs)April 1,2009 and in June he took the $35,000 out of the reserve account. Then again Dec 24,2009 he took approx $17,000 out.Our water and electric bills average $6,000 a month. He has been spending money(not according to the governing docs) on items and services that are not emergencys. I wanted to make sure that I was correct and that he took the rights of the membership away.
thanks
Barbara
BarbaraD6 (Florida)
Posts: 347
Posted:
My fellow board member said according to the financial report we had money.She doesn't know why he did it,and he refused to answer our emails on questioning him. He is taking direction for 1 or 2 board members. He could have called an emergency meeting of the membership and showed documentation of the need to take it. The eletric and water bill average $6000 a month. He continues to violate the governig docs. He is spending money on items and services that are not emergencies.(ex:$278.00 for 2 trash cans.)Is it ok to violate the law, in any situation? Is there any documentation that would support a board being able to ignore the law? I want to make sure that I'm following the governing docs and the law. ANy help would be appreciated.
Barbara
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Barbara,

Something here is really not right. Does he work for a management company or is he self employed? Demand to see bills for these expenses, demand to see receipts, demand to know where are the funds that were allocated for the water and electric. There is something amiss. Also DEMAND!!! that no Board member allow him access to any funds until you get this under control. The Reserve Funds are NOT to be used for operating expenses and as you know, cannot be released without a vote of the membership. There is something rotten in Denmark.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Barbars,

Methinks your problem is not that the mgr using reserve fund monies for expenses not designated for reserve, but rather that you have a board that isn't in control of the assn. and have created a gross mismangement of funds. The BOD as a whole (not just one or two members) should be making the decisions. The mgr shouldn't be doing anything w/o thier approval. There shouldn't be shortfalls that necessitate the use of reserve funds. Your BOD is in bad shape!!
BarbaraD6 (Florida)
Posts: 347
Posted:
Mary,
Two board members are complaining,but the other two board members are letting him do it.We just came home to find new plants,trees and mulch were put in our front entrance. My fellow board member and I knew nothing about this. Management is giving the president sole authority of decisions. Yes,I agree we are in bad shape. That's why I am asking for advice from all you knowledgeable people.
BArbara
BarbaraD6 (Florida)
Posts: 347
Posted:
Donna,
The president pulls the strings of the manager. We have 4 board members right now and they take action based on 2 board members. We have sent emails and brought up all the violations at board meetings but they ignore us or give a "pat' answer. We think this is very serious, and don't know where to turn now for help. WE know the association awyer works for the management company,so that would be futile.
Barbara
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Barbara two board members for, two against equals a tie with the president's vote being the tie breaker which would be majority rule. Now that doesn't necessarily make it right or legal. If you truly believe that things are being done improperly make sure your views are included in the minutes. If you want things to change then you are going to have to get the homeowners involved in recalling these Board members and replacing them with others who are willing to follow the rules. In the mean time doesn't Florida have an Ombudsman for HOA matters and you could also file a complaint with DBPR against the CM if you feel he is violating the law.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
BarbaraD6 (Florida)
Posts: 347
Posted:
Glen,
The president has no more power than the rest of the board members.They now have placed a foreclosure without our knowledge(no vote).Where can I find out if we have an ombudsman? Anymore suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Barbara
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Barbara upon looking further it looks like the ombudsman is just for condos but maybe Donna or one of the other FL people will reply with the answer. Are you saying that your BOD only has four members? Is it set up that way or are you missing a member?

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DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Barbara,

Fl. Statutes 720:311 is Dispute Resolution and that will have all of the information that you need to apply for the Ombudsman.

I copyed just the first paragraph for you but you need to read the entire section. Good Luck!

720.311 Dispute resolution.--

(1) The Legislature finds that alternative dispute resolution has made progress in reducing court dockets and trials and in offering a more efficient, cost-effective option to litigation. The filing of any petition for arbitration or the serving of a demand for presuit mediation as provided for in this section shall toll the applicable statute of limitations. Any recall dispute filed with the department pursuant to s. 720.303(10) shall be conducted by the department in accordance with the provisions of ss. 718.112(2)(j) and 718.1255 and the rules adopted by the division. In addition, the department shall conduct mandatory binding arbitration of election disputes between a member and an association pursuant to s. 718.1255 and rules adopted by the division. Neither election disputes nor recall disputes are eligible for presuit mediation; these disputes shall be arbitrated by the department. At the conclusion of the proceeding, the department shall charge the parties a fee in an amount adequate to cover all costs and expenses incurred by the department in conducting the proceeding. Initially, the petitioner shall remit a filing fee of at least $200 to the department. The fees paid to the department shall become a recoverable cost in the arbitration proceeding, and the prevailing party in an arbitration proceeding shall recover its reasonable costs and attorney's fees in an amount found reasonable by the arbitrator. The department shall adopt rules to effectuate the purposes of this section.

BarbaraD6 (Florida)
Posts: 347
Posted:
We lost a member back in Sept and the president is resisting a replacement.
Barbara
BarbaraD6 (Florida)
Posts: 347
Posted:
Donna,
I also found out that ombudsman don't deal with HOA's. Would this fl statute
be used for 2 board members having disputes with 2 other board members and management.
Barbara
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Barbara,
Why do you say that the Ombudsman does not deal with HOAs? It is in the 720 Statutes which are HOAs
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Barbara,
I am sorry and you are correct. There is a move to add HOAs to the Ombudsmans authority. The only thing that HOAs have right now is the ability to go to presuit mediation. Sorry for the error.
BarbaraD6 (Florida)
Posts: 347
Posted:
Thank you so much for your help
Barbara
AlexL1 (Florida)
Posts: 305
Posted:
That is nothing... I was told to order two trash cans (cement) and I did so and our HOA will have to pay $708 for both of them.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
This thread is 3 years old
BethW4 (California)
Posts: 11
Posted:
Each year, the HOA will set a budget to determine how much money it needs to pay all ordinary repair and maintenance expenses. In many cases, part of this budget will include a little extra that goes into a reserve fund. The reserve fund is used to cover major repairs that aren't planned for in the budget. For example, if a hurricane comes through your area and causes substantial and expensive damage, the HOA may use the reserve funds to make repairs.

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