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JimL6 (Florida)
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Florida Statute Chapter 720.303.10.h states that when the board decides not to certify a recall, as to each vote rejected, the minutes must identify the parcel number and the specific reason for each such rejection.

Is there a difference between a home owners association parcel number for a specific lot in the association and the parcel number for that lot used by the county for taxes, or are they the same number?

MaryA1 (Arizona)
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Posted By JimL6 on 01/20/2009 11:13 PM
Florida Statute Chapter 720.303.10.h states that when the board decides not to certify a recall, as to each vote rejected, the minutes must identify the parcel number and the specific reason for each such rejection.

Is there a difference between a home owners association parcel number for a specific lot in the association and the parcel number for that lot used by the county for taxes, or are they the same number?

Jim,

I think they are generally the same. The parcel numbers the developer uses are shown on the plat. At least that's the way it's been in the HOAs I've lived in. In fact I believe these numbers may be assigned by the taxing authority.

MaryA1 (Arizona)
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Jim,

Oops, forgot to add. . .

The developer may not use the whole parcel number, perhaps just the last 2 or 3 digits, i.e. all the parcel #'s in my assn begin with XXX-XX (book and page number) followed by 3 numbers (lot), which run consecutive for the whole s/d. The developer most likely will only use the last 3 numbers.

GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
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Posted By JimL6 on 01/20/2009 11:13 PM

Is there a difference between a home owners association parcel number for a specific lot in the association and the parcel number for that lot used by the county for taxes, or are they the same number?

Jim, you need to be careful here. Your question has a specific, factual answer, and it is highly likely that someone who is knowledgeable about practices in Florida has the correct answer. (Were it about the Indiana system, I could answer, since I have specific knowledge of the property numbering system used in Hoosierland. ) Property numbering systems vary from state to state.

Expressions of what "one thinks" really are not helpful to answer factual questions. For instance, it would not be appropriate for me to proffer what I think the answer may be or typically is, since I have no definitive knowledge of the property numbering system used in Florida. It would only tend to muddy the waters as so often happens by uninformed opinions being expressed.

DonnaS (Tennessee)
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Jim,

If you look directly under your developement name on the lower right hand side of your tax bill, there is a platt number AND under that is your PI number. That is your registered Parcel number by which your County identifies you.

I copied the Statutes for George to see. It clearly says "PARCEL NUMBER"

720,303 (10) (h) The minutes of the board meeting at which the board decides whether to certify the recall are an official association record. The minutes must record the date and time of the meeting, the decision of the board, and the vote count taken on each board member subject to the recall. In addition, when the board decides not to certify the recall, as to each vote rejected, the minutes must identify the >PARCEL< number and the specific reason for each such rejection.

GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
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Thank you for providing the statutory language. It confirms what the original posted stated and what I understood. However, it does not answer the factual question posed, to wit:

Is there a difference between a home owners association parcel number for a specific lot in the association and the parcel number for that lot used by the county for taxes, or are they the same number? Can you provide the answer? I know I cannot.

DonnaS (Tennessee)
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George,
My Tax bill has 2 numbers on it.

The developement name and along side of it is Plat 2, LOT 88B

Under that is the County Parcel Number

When doing research for our developement, the plat number and lot numbers were used ONLY when we were honeing in on common verses owner property.

Because the Statute requires a PARCEL number to be listed on a recall, I would think that it means the parcel, not the plat and lot. But what woukd be the harm in adding the lot number? Can one offer too much information on a document?

GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
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This is off topic. Stop reading here if you so choose.

All I can say is what I know about the Hoosierland uniform numbering system.

There are at least three numbers associated with a piece of real estate in Indiana.

The first is a street mailing address, established by the appropriate county office (it varies in Hoosierland) based on a standardized countywide numbering system. It is used by the Postal Service and the general public to locate a specific property. Not all real estate has a street mailing address, however. (Sometimes rural numbers are very obscure, such as "345 N330 E.")

The second number is a unit or lot number for each piece of real estate in a subdivision/condo. This number is assigned by the developer and becomes part of the subdivision plat. it is used to record the legal description of the property by the county recorder. Not all real estate, though, have unit/lot numbers, particularly if the real estate has not been subdivided. The unit/lot number is the number typically used by a homeowners association to identify a specific unit/lot. But, there is no legal obligation in Hoosierland to do so. it is merely a convenience.

The third number in Hoosierland is the parcel number assigned by the county/township assessor to uniquely identify the property for tax purposes.

It other states it may be different. I have no idea what the numbering system is in Florida, so I cannot say if the parcel number used by a homeowners association is any different from the parcel number used by the tax assessor and collector.

Sorry Jim for taking this thread off topic. Somebody out there has an answer to your specific question, I am sure.

KirkW1 (Texas)
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Here is what I can offer to you:
In our HOA, there would be a number which directly maps to the plat of land. But it would not (to my knowledge) be the same thing.

It would seem to me that there is an obvious intent here. And that is that there be a record of every vote that is disqualified and the reason for such. And to that end, at least in the meeting of the BOD I would say use whatever number you have to designate the unit as long as there can be some mapping back to a legal parcel number.

I would also say that if a BOD decides to not certify a recall and does so without consultation with their attorney they are just plain foolish. If there is a vote that even runs close, then I would guess that they are also very close to a lawsuit. But then again, if they put nearly as much effort into actually doing the right thing as disqualifying votes, then perhaps there wouldn't be a recall effort.

MaryA1 (Arizona)
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Posted By GeorgerwilliamsW on 01/21/2009 5:36 AM
Posted By JimL6 on 01/20/2009 11:13 PM

Is there a difference between a home owners association parcel number for a specific lot in the association and the parcel number for that lot used by the county for taxes, or are they the same number?

Well, George, thanks again for pointing out the fact that I should NOT have offered my opinion. Frankly, I've never seen you use the expression "IMO" to preface any of your "opinions"; so I guess we are to believe that everything you say is factual. Glad to know someone here knows what they're talking about all the time; or at least thinks they do! You have a lot to offer, George, as many other do too; however, your pompous attitude does get a bit tiring. The disclaimer on this site says "opinions" are offered not "legal advice".

MaryA1 (Arizona)
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Jim,

Since, as George says, "Expressions of what "one thinks" really are not helpful to answer factual questions.", please disregard what I posted earlier.

You may find the answer to your question by taking a look at the parcel number shown on your tax bill and compare that to your HOA account or lot number. The last 3 digits of my parcel number are the same as my lot# and the last 3 digits of my HOA account#. IMO, this, hopefully, will give you the answer.

DonnaS (Tennessee)
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Thanks Mary for the post.

I responded with a copy of a Florida Tax bill in hand, which is where the O.P is located. It is clearly written what the PARCEL number is and that is what the Statute is asking for. I don't know how much ,more information the previous poster thinks is needed. This is how Florida does the tax bills.

MaryA1 (Arizona)
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Posted By DonnaS on 01/21/2009 6:32 AM

George,
My Tax bill has 2 numbers on it.

The developement name and along side of it is Plat 2, LOT 88B

Under that is the County Parcel Number

When doing research for our developement, the plat number and lot numbers were used ONLY when we were honeing in on common verses owner property.

Because the Statute requires a PARCEL number to be listed on a recall, I would think that it means the parcel, not the plat and lot. But what woukd be the harm in adding the lot number? Can one offer too much information on a document?

Donna,

Just out of curiosity, does the parcel number end with "88"?

DonnaS (Tennessee)
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No, it doesn't. It is --PI # 19-38-41- XXX-XXX XXXXX 5000. Why do you ask?

DonnaS (Tennessee)
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Mary,
The light just lit. No, my lot number is 88B and that is on another line, No where is 88 in the PI number. Sorry for the brain delay.

JimL6 (Florida)
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Thanks for the help.

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