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ChungW (Texas)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Hi,

I'm a fairly new board member to the association of my community. We're faced with a long-standing issue with one homeowner that is causing not only the board members pain but also threatening the well-being of the community.

To summarize the issue, our community includes an ungated section and several gated sections. The builder set different annual due amounts for the gated and ungated sections. So from the beginning, all boards had taken the cost maintenance of common area in the ungated section and divided it among all owners (gated and ungated). The ungated sections, which come with exclusive access right to only the residents who live there, would pay the for the maintenance cost of the common area/amenities within their respective gated sections. I live in one of the gated sections and was aware of the different rates before I bought into the community. All homeowners want to pay a lower due, but it's a generic sentiment. We have however, one owner, that had lived in the gated section with most amenities argues that it's unfair for the gated sections to pay for the maintenance cost incurred by the ungated section. For years, this owner bombarded the board, the management company with demands (sent from both himself and his lawyers) to change the by-laws and covenants so every homeowner would pay the same rate. He had even collected signatures from un-assuming homeowners (e.g. simply telling them if they gave him their signatures, he would lower their dues for them... without explaining how). We kept telling him it would not happen without the sections fighting among each other and it would not do anybody any good. But he would not stop and we're running out of ways to deal with him.

Has anyone on this forum run into similar situation? I suggested to ignore him and let him carry out of his threat of taking us to court so there'll be closure. Is it a wise thing to do.

Thanks for any advice.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Well, it's probably within his rights as a homeowner to try to change the governing documents. You could not (and should not) stand in the way or obstruct or somehow block him from doing that. On the other hand, most likely your governing documents do not give you either the right or standing to change any documents just because a Vociferous Person gets a handful of people to back him and say "Make it so."

He may have some signatures, but does he have enough to trigger the call for the meeting to vote on the amendment?

If he has enough, then, by your own documents, you would have to call the meeting to allow the vote. You cannot obstruct that.

In the meantime, one of the things you may want to do is prepare for that day when he does have enough signatures to call a meeting for a vote on it. In that case, it might be in your best interests to develop a communication plan for dealing with the issue and promoting your position.

You could produce handouts with bullet points that show the long-term and short-term consequences and/or benefits of the switch.

You could have in the packet an informational piece that indicates what benefits the gated community residents get from the non-gated sections (if there is any).

But keep in mind that the residents are the ones who will ultimately determine if changes are to be made. Your documents should give the power to a certain percentage (ours is 51% after a quorum is met. I've seen others that require a 2/3s or 75% level).

DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Chung,

Where I am from, different amenities warrant different assessments or fees. Gated people do have that extra perk by having gates. They cost extra to mainain and operate.. Those in the ungated areas do not have the extra protection of gates. What does this guy and his lawyer use as their argument?

If you did a breakdown of how many units are ungated verses how many are gated, what numbers would you come up with? Changing the covenant by an amendment would mean that all of the non gated folks would have to agree or vote yes to accept more costs for operation of those gates that they don't have access to. What are the chances of that happening? He cannot take you to court on an amendment that is only on his wish list.

Unless you deny the association the right to have a vote on this, he has no case. Do your Bylaws state a petition number that would require the Board to address amendment changes?
ChungW (Texas)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Thanks for the quick responses. He has not satisfied with the majority requirement, nor does the document provides ground for such amendment. But the problem is he's arguing about the interpretation of the covenants, which is written in generic terms and not to specific scenarios... His argument is as simple as "it's unfair to have different rates for different sections" and he wants everybody to pay the same rate. But who will be willing to pay a higher rate? I would personally pay a higher rate to get him off the association and after all we're taking about a $400 difference for exclusive gates, swimming pool, trails, parks, and a huge lake. I live in a different gated section, pay $100 less than he does, and have only gates and limited common areas (6 tress and 2 swings). Most of us have no complains whatsoever. If I side with him, my rate will actually go lower! But we can't make everyone in the ungated section to pay more. That will only lead to a nasty fight among the sections and eventually bring down the community. We explained to him many times, but we're simply forced to keep going around a circle with him... We shot him down, and he came right back with the same argument or a slight variant of it (one time he sent us a 50-page argument). We're not trying to deny his right to speak out or to seek changes by gathering the enough number of support, but we've to take into consideration the peace of the community. I really don't know any other resolution but to start ignoring him and his lawyer so he had to take it to court and we'll have a final resolution once and for all. But that will cost the community's money, and even if the court rules against him, I'm afraid he'll go back with a different lawsuit. I'm just trying to see if there's anything we haven't thought about and worked in other communities. Thanks again for reaching out.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Chung,
Unless there is something different in your documents that we don't know about, I see no case in court for him. Judges really hate this kind of bogus claims so unless he has something in the documents that you are not aware of, I'd just let him continue to blow smoke. I hope that he ends up paying your court costs if indeed he gets that far. Texas does have HOA laws so perhaps you should review them to see if you can arbritate before it gets to a full blown court case and who would be responsible for costs.
GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
Posts: 975
Posted:
It is never a wise idea to take any dispute to court if it can be settled in another way. However, it may be one of those disputes that end up getting settled just before it goes to court.

Consider this: take the initiative away from the homeowner. The homeowner needs a petition to secure enough signatures to call for a vote by homeowners. The board of directors does not. I would urge you to consider having the board taking this issue to the owners for a vote before the homeowners does. It would not require any homeowners signatures if the board were to make that decision.

Alternately, ask your attorney how the board might seek a declaratory judgment before this owner can file a suit. Again, taking the initiative will be to your advantage.

In a broader sense, it was probably a bad decision for the long term for the developer to set differential rates in the first place. For the most part, only condos or shared wall townhouse associations have differential assessments based on such things as the size of the unit.
ChungW (Texas)
Posts: 4
Posted:
I totally agree that having different rates can be controversial. Even worse in our case the gated sections has all the amenities the community has to offer within itself (e.g. there is a pool inside this section for its exclusive use and there is another outside of it shared by all, including this section). But it was the builder's idea and the association simply inherited it. We (or this owner) can't force change without owners in the ungated section getting upset. He basically asked us to amend the by-laws so funds used to maintain only common areas accessible to all homeowners (naturally, they're all in the ungated section) will be used to maintain his section. Another gated section took the initiative to protect their interests and came up an amendment basically of the contrary. Now he claimed because there were two contradicting amendments the association is not allowed to use money to repair damaged perimeter walls. I've lived in this community for only 9 months. To me, if he feel strongly about having to pay for other sections, he should simply organize his section to break away from the rest of the community. But he wouldn't. He just wanted money from other sections...
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
I like George's idea. The court/lawyer thing can be diffused if the board acts before he does.

How are amendments proposed in your HOA? What is the procedure?

Who has the power to set the rates?

The board has heard the suggested proposed amendment. Take it to the people for a vote.

Could you write a proposed amendment for us to see?
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
I wholeheartedly disagree with the board taking this to the community to a vote before the homeowner does.

Not at all in agreement with that.

If he wants to take it to the wall, he is free to do so.

I would not in the least succumb to pressure simply because this guy is aggressive and a pain.

EllenS1 (Florida)
Posts: 1,148
Posted:
Chung,

I certainly can't give advice but a barking dog seldomly bites. Some folks like to threaten to sue thinking everyone else will do as they say. I'd say do what you think is right. IF an attorney ever contacts you then you can make a decision on the steps to take. Most people who make threats to sue will never put their money where their mouth is.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Chung,

You said: "So from the beginning, all boards had taken the cost maintenance of common area in the ungated section and divided it among all owners (gated and ungated)." So are we to understand that on top of that assessment, the owners in the gated community are assessed an additional amount for the gates?

IMO, the best way to do this would be to assess the gated community for their expenses and the ungated community for theirs. This way no one is paying for an amentity they cannot use. This may be where the problem is coming from.

With regard to the one member making threats, I would pay heed to what Michele and Ellen have to say. Their opinions make a lot of sense to me.
ChungW (Texas)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Thanks for all the inputs... I had a typo in my original message regarding the fee structure and let me rephrase it here: we divided the cost of maintenance for common areas (including one of the pools) accessible to all residents (gated and ungated) among all homeowners. This is the base rate. We then add the cost of maintenance specific to each gated area to the base rate to come up with the rate for the gated sections.

And back to the solution... This is a wonderful place and really gives me an idea what a reasonable board would do. There is no reasoning with this individual and that's why I posted this message to see if there's any other way we hadn't thought of. The idea of putting in front of the homeowners a "referendum" is a noble one. The problem is I think it'll backfire because of many homeowners will simply not vote and he will take the converse as the homeowners' wish (I believe our by-laws requires a simple majority of each of the sections to amend by-laws applicable to it). I guess this is not a bad thing because it protects the covenants and by-laws. So I think the way we're going to deal with this guy is to ignore him until he sues, which he may, since he's sending lawyer letters to us. No one wants to drag the whole community into this, but because his selfish action, the good people that were and are serving the board have left or consider leaving. Speaking of law suits, I reached out to the board and joined it (and am running for election) because I wanted to serve the community. I am not sure if I'm covered with any board insurance in case someone sues the board. Can anyone recommend a policy/underwriter so I can purchase my own or get my board to look into? It's really sad that volunteers have to get insurance.

Thanks again.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Chung, I would not wait and see if this blows over; since he is gathering signatures by promising to lower assessments. I would assist him on his endeavors by sending a letter from the BOD to all homeowners explaining how the current assessments are computed and that the BOD had received a request to modify this policy (without naming names) to have everyone assessed equally. Then spell out exactly what it would mean for each section i.e. Sections A, E & F assessments will be cut by $100.00 to $300.00 while Section's B, C, D, G & H assessments will rise by $100.00.

Ask the homeowners if they would be in favor of amending the Covenant's to allow this. Or since I'm assuming that the guy in the gated section with all the amenities isn't prepared to share them with the ones he wants to pay for them; ask if the homeowners would prefer to equalize the assessments at a savings to some but at no increase to others and allow the BOD to determine mandatory usage fees for each section. Believe me when the H/O's know that their assessments might rise, they will make their feelings on the matter crystal clear.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
EllenS1 (Florida)
Posts: 1,148
Posted:
Chung,

Most hoas have policies in place that covers board members. If you have a PM check with them and ask to see a copy of the declaration page.
KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
While I agree that it is best to avoid litigation when possible, there may not be another way.

But here is an idea to think over. Explain to him that what he wants will require a change to the covenants and that will take getting 2/3 of all owners to sign on. (This is not 2/3 of the attending members but all owners.) Also, let him know that according to Texas state law there is a one year limit in which to collect the signatures.

Then try to make a deal with him (preferably in writing). Tell him that you will address the issue at the next annual meeting if he will agree to abide by the will of the people and stop harassing you.

At that time put forth a measure to make an official run at changing the Covenants. Of course if all fees become equal, then all people will get full use of all amenities.

As a note, unless the gated areas get something from the non-gated areas, I don't think it fair to simply split that cost among all areas. Now if all people pass through an entrance, then that should be split among all. To be sure though, finding the perfect balance of what is fair could well be impossible.

One thing that you could look into is splitting into a master association with several sub associations. The most likely reason the developer chunked all the neighborhoods together is one of costs. Management fees go down considerably as you get more homes in the association.

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