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JimL6 (Florida)
Posts: 45
Posted:
The dictionary defines an assessment as a charge for an expense and the amount of the charge, not as a payment or a collection of a payment, and it defines improvement as the act of making something better (change), and it defines maintenance as the act of keeping something the same (non-change), neither making it better nor allowing it to become worse.

The language of the Articles and the Bylaws and the Declaration which govern the Board appear to me to be consistent with these dictionary definitions of an assessment (a charge for an expense and the amount of the charge) and improvement (change) and maintenance (non-change).

Section 3.2a of the Articles states that the Board has the power “to make and collect Assessments against Members.”

The Board cannot “make” and “collect” a payment or a collection of a payment “against” the membership. However, the Board can “make” a charge for an expense “against” the membership, and the Board can then “collect” the amount of the charge.

So an assessment is a charge for an expense and the amount of the charge in the regulations which govern the Board, just as it is in the dictionary.

Section 8.04 of the Bylaws states that “Regular annual Assessments [charges] against a Lot Owner for his share of the items of the budget shall be made [shall be imposed] in advance [before the calendar year] on or before December 20,” and that “Special Assessments [charges] may be made [may be imposed against the membership] from time to time [at any time] by the Board ... with membership approval where required.”

So the annual charge for the expense of the annual budget is the “Regular Assessment,” and every other charge for every other expense, such as the expense of an improvement (a change) of the membership’s Common Property, is a “Special Assessment,” and some (not all) “Special Assessments” (charges for expenses other than the expense of the annual budget) require “membership approval.”

Section 6.04c of the Declaration states that the Board “may levy [may impose against the membership] a Special Assessment [a charge for an expense other than the expense of the annual budget] for the purpose of defraying ... the cost of any construction ... of a described improvement [a described change] to the Common Property,” and that “Special Assessments [charges] for improvements [changes] must be approved by at least sixty (60%) percent of the votes cast by Members,” and that “Special Assessments [the amounts of any charges for any expenses other than the expense of the annual budget] shall be payable [shall be owed by the membership for payment] at such times [a single payment] and in such installments [multiple payments] as may be determined by the Board.”

It is logically impossible for the membership to approve “Special Assessments [charges] for improvements [changes]” unless it approves the “improvements” (the changes) themselves, hence the phrase “approved improvements” in section 8.02 of the Bylaws, which states that “a budget for each calendar year ... may provide funds for specifically proposed and approved improvements.”

So “at least sixty (60%) percent of the votes cast by Members” must approve every “improvement” (every change) of the membership’s Common Property and every “Special Assessment” (every charge) for the expense of every “improvement” (every change) before the Board can “levy” (can impose) against the membership the approved Special Assessment (the approved charge) for the expense of the approved improvement (the approved change), the payment of which can be collected from the membership at whatever “time” (a single payment) or in whatever “installments” (multiple payments) are “determined by the Board,” as stated in section 6.04c of the Declaration.

The logical manner in which to collect from the membership an approved and levied Special Assessment (an approved and imposed charge) for the expense of an approved improvement (an approved change) of the membership’s Common Property is to collect it in the payment for the annual budget for the next calendar year (a single payment) or in the payments for the annual budgets for subsequently calendar years (multiple payments in installments), hence the statement in section 8.02 of the Bylaws that “a budget for each calendar year ... may provide funds for specifically proposed and approved improvements.”

Section 8.02 of the Bylaws states that “the Board shall adopt a budget for each calendar year which shall include the estimated funds required to defray [1] the Common Expenses and funds for [2] reserves, if any, and may provide funds for [3] specifically proposed and approved improvements.”

The reason that the phrase “approved improvements” in section 8.02 of the Bylaws has to be a reference to membership approval and cannot be a reference to Board approval is that whereas the Board must approve all three things (the “Common Expenses” and the “reserves” and the “approved improvements”) stated in this section, the only one of these three stated things which is characterized as having been “approved” is the only one of these three stated things which “must be approved by at least sixty (60%) percent of the votes cast by Members,” as stated in section 6.04c of the Declaration, namely, the “improvements.”

So the regulations which govern the Board give the membership the authority to decide what can or cannot be done with its own Common Property (the 60% membership vote-of-approval requirement for every improvement [every change] of its Common Property) and with its own money (the 60% membership vote-of-approval requirement for every Special Assessment [every charge] for the expense of every improvement [every change] of its Common Property).

That’s how it appears to me. Am I wrong?

Prior to the Board meeting held on 03/26/08, the Board agreed with its improvement project coordinator that a vote of approval from the membership had to occur before the Board’s improvement project could proceed.

But in the minutes of the Board meeting held on 03/26/08, the Board reverses itself and begins to claim that, according to its attorney, it can evade the 60% membership vote-of-approval requirement by simply “handling” or “treating” whatever required membership approval as if it were something else which did not require membership approval.

So the Board decides to “handle” or “treat” the Special Assessment (the charge) for improvement (change) as if it were a fee (a charge) for maintenance (non-change), and it decides to “handle” or “treat” the membership’s deciding vote as if it were a nonbinding opinion, and it is stated in these minutes that “a motion [was made] that the renovation cost would be in the form of a maintenance fee,” and that “there would be no special assessment and no upfront payment option.” Apparently, the “special assessment” is being defined as a type of payment instead of what it is (a charge for an expense).

According to this logic, the repayment of a bank loan could be evaded by simply handling or treating the borrowed money as if it were a gift. But I don’t think that any bank would go along with this kind of reasoning, and neither do I think that the membership should go along with this kind of reasoning regarding the 60% membership vote-of-approval requirement.

In the subsequently written letter dated 06/05/08 from the Board’s attorney in support of the Board’s new position, the attorney admits that the Board’s project consists of “changes” which are “considered improvements,” and that the Board has the right “to borrow money” for “improvement,” and that “the levy of a Special Assessment to fund improvements ... may be levied only upon the affirmative vote of not less than sixty (60%) percent of ... members,” all of which supports the Board’s original position (prior to the 03/26/08 Board meeting) that a vote of approval from the membership must occur before the improvement project can proceed.

But then she attempts to evade the 60% membership vote-of-approval requirement by changing the definition of a Special Assessment (any charge for any expense other than the expense of the annual budget) to a payment which is collected apart from the payment for the annual budget, and by then concluding that if the payment for the improvement (the change) is collected in the payment for the annual budget, then there is no Special Assessment and consequently no 60% membership vote-of-approval requirement.

But in doing this, she ignores the statement in section 8.02 of the Bylaws that “a budget for each calendar year ... may provide funds for specifically proposed and approved improvements,” which refutes both her conclusion and her altered definition of a Special Assessment.

In a second letter dated 08/25/08, she reverses herself and claims that the Board’s project consists of “work” which is “considered maintenance,” and that the Board has the right “to borrow money” for “maintenance,” and she cites section 4.06c of the Declaration, which states that the Board has “the right ... to borrow money for the purpose of improving, replacing, restoring or expanding the Common Property, or adding New Common property.”

However, not only is the word “maintaining” not included among the stated purposes for which the Board has the right to borrow money, but also the nature (non-change) of maintenance is incompatible with the nature (change) of the stated purposes: improvement, replacement, restoration, expansion, addition. So the Board has the right to borrow money for improvement (change), but it does not have the right to borrow money for maintenance (non-change).

I think that the definition of an assessment (a charge for an expense and the amount of the charge) is clear enough in any dictionary and in the language of the regulations which govern the Board.

However, is there a universally accepted statement of standards for home owners associations (HOA), which clarifies the meaning of assessments for HOA Boards, and to which I could direct the Board (and its attorney) so that it would stop playing these word games in its attempt to evade the membership approval requirement?

EllenS1 (Florida)
Posts: 1,148
Posted:
Jim,

I have to admit I didn't read all of your lengthy post but our hoa docs state that the memberhsip must vote for or against it. This makes sense to me. Why should 3 or 5 board members decide if a special assessment is necessary?
EllenS1 (Florida)
Posts: 1,148
Posted:
Jim,

I have to admit I didn't read all of your lengthy post but our hoa docs state that the memberhsip must vote for or against it. This makes sense to me. Why should 3 or 5 board members decide if a special assessment is necessary?
AnnaD2 (Florida)
Posts: 960
Posted:
Jim, I'm with Ellen---I didn't ready your lengthy post, either, but the BOD DOES have the right to assess the members if need be. The members do not have a right to vote on special assessments. Only the Board does.

For instance---if your pool pump broke, the Board has the obligation to maintain the common elements and if you did not have the funds in the reserves or in the budget to pay for a replacement, the Board can vote to assess everyone for a new one.

Another example (which we all experienced a couple years ago)---If your insurance costs tripled and the money was needed and not in the regular budget the Board will vote to assess the members, to pay the premium.

Now a different example----if the Board decides that the buildings need to be painted, and they've been lax in collecting enough in the reserve funds to pay for such a project, you certainly can raise a stink! The board has an obligation to collect enough funds to cover certain things and if they were not responsible enough to "plan ahead" for projects such as this, the members can step up and voice their concerns.

But, no the members do not vote on assessments---not in Florida, anyway.
EllenS1 (Florida)
Posts: 1,148
Posted:

Anna,

I may be wrong but am sure our docs say the membership must vote for a special assement. I'll check them out once more. We had an issue a couple of years ago about cutting down old live oak trees. Turns out a few folks on the board wanted some old live oak trees cut down so their yard would get more sun at a cost of $15,000 but it isn't just the cost. Purchasers are attracted because of the tees. Why should 101 owners have their properties devalued because 3 or 5 board members decide that is what is going to happen?
AnnaD2 (Florida)
Posts: 960
Posted:
Ellen, I know...it sucks. But the Board has the right to assess owners for whatever they decide. That is why people elect a Board to run the association. I'm not sure what your documents say....

But if people are unhappy with their Board they also have options....to recall them. It's the nature of the beast.

GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Jim, I think I understand your post, so I'll take a stab at it. The BOD is trying to raise assessments or have a special assessment to repair/replace an existing item. To add to this confusion they want to create (add) something that wasn't there before and this is what's causing the monkey wrench in the works.

Normally the BOD decides how much money it will need for the following year and divides that amount between all the homeowners in a manor prescribed in your documents either (usually) equally in stand alone homes or a percentage in condos. If they have a shortfall or a special need then they can impose a special assessment in the same manor as long as they conform to the documents and any applicable law. However most documents limit the amount of capital improvement the Board can create (the new item) to a certain dollar amount without a majority homeowner vote.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
SusannaM (Florida)
Posts: 366
Posted:
AnnaD, apparently you are in a condo association, and the OP is in an HOA. Two different worlds in FL.
I also believe that any alteration to common property is subject to a vote by the majority of voting interests.
JimL6 (Florida)
Posts: 45
Posted:
The issue is not the right of the Board to make and collect assessments. As mentioned in the first message, section 3.2a of the Articles states that the Board has the power "to make and collect Assessments against Members." That is not the issue.

Neither is maintenance the issue. The Board has the obligation to maintain the Common Property. The example of fixing a broken pump or painting what needs painted falls into this category. Maintenance (non-change, neither making the Common Property better nor allowing it to become worse) does not require membership approval. All of that is understood.

Also, not all Special Assessments (charges for expenses other than the expense of the annual budget) require membership approval. For instance, a Special Assessment (a charge) for a shortfall in the funds to pay for the expense of the items of the annual budget does not require membership approval anymore than the Regular Assessment (the annual charge for the expense of the annual budget) itself requires membership approval.

The issue is an "improvement" (a change) of the membership's Common Property. It's the membership's Common Property, and the membership has the right to decide whether or not its own Common Property is to be changed. That is why "improvement" (change) requires membership approval, whereas "maintenance" (non-change) does not require membership approval.

What if the Board decided that the construction of a statue of a pink elephant in front of the clubhouse would be an improvement to the Common Property? Shouldn't the membership have the right and the authority to say no to the pink elephant?

Section 6.04c of the Declarations states that the membership has that authority. It states that "Special Assessments (charges) for improvements (changes) must be approved by at least sixty (60%) percent of the votes cast by the Members."

This correlates with the tree-cutting example in one of the messages. Cutting down the trees changes the Common Property. It would fall into the category of "improvement" (change), not "maintenance" (non-change), and therefore would require membership approval. What if most of the membership loved those trees? Wouldn't the membership have the right to say no to cutting them down?

The Board doesn't need membership approval for maintenance (non-change), because there is nothing to approve, because nothing is being changed. But the Board does NOT have the right to improve (to change) the membership's Common Property WITHOUT the permission of the membership itself, because the membership may not want its own Common Property changed.

The primary issue in the first message, however, is the redefinition of the word "assessment" from what it is (a charge for an expense and the amount of the charge) to what it is not (a payment or a collection of a payment) in an effort to evade the 60% membership vote-of-approval requirement for every improvement (every change) and for every Special Assessment (every charge) for the expense of every improvement (every change).

The "approved improvements" whose "funds" are collected from the membership in the payment for the annual "budget" in section 8.02 of the Bylaws are the result of Special Assessments (charges for expenses other than the expense of the annual budget, such as the expense of improvements).

There is no such thing as a payment without an assessment (a charge for an expense), no matter how the payment is collected, and there is no such thing as a payment for an improvement (a change) without a Special Assessment (a charge for any expense other than the expense of the annual budget) for the expense of the improvement (the change), no matter how the payment is collected.

But the Board's attorney changes the definition of a Special Assessment from what it is (a charge for any expense other than the expense of the annual budget) to what it is not (a payment which is collected apart from the payment for the annual budget) in order to falsely claim that collecting the payment for an improvement (a change) in the payment for the annual budget eliminates a Special Assessment (which she falsely defines as a payment which is collected apart from the payment for the annual budget) and consequently eliminates the 60% membership vote-of-approval requirement for every improvement (every change).

The fact that this is a false claim is corroborated in section 8.02 of the Bylaws, which specifically states that the "improvements" whose "funds" are collected in the payment for the annual "budget" are "specifically proposed and approved improvements."

My question is whether there is a universally accepted statement of standards for home owners associations to which I can direct the Board and its attorney for the correct definition of an assessment. If they won't listen to me, then maybe they will listen to such a statement of standards, if it exists.

SusannaM (Florida)
Posts: 366
Posted:
Jim, although your governing documents may say that the Board has the authority to assess assessments, there is a provision on FL Statutes 720 which governs HOAs in FL. This provision is that if your HOA does not have a "reserve" fund as defined by Law, then the BOD has to add a paragraph to the prior year financial statement.
See 720.303.6.(C)

In most HOAs the BOD can increase the annual assessment by 10% every year without ever consulting the membership. If the assessment if greater than 10% then the BOB may or may not need the vote of the majority of the voting interests. With HOAs is pretty much the luck of the draw. It depends how old or new the HOA has been in existence, and how the developer set up the governing docs.
SusannaM (Florida)
Posts: 366
Posted:
Jim, I guess we both posted at the same time...I should have said "levy assessments."
JimL6 (Florida)
Posts: 45
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By SusannaM on 01/17/2009 7:20 PM
... FL Statutes 720 which governs HOAs in FL. ...

Found it (Florida Statutes 720):

http://www.ccfjedu.net/HOAFS720new.htm

Thanks.
EllenS1 (Florida)
Posts: 1,148
Posted:
Anna,

Our docs state "Special assessments may be levied by the Association......provided that any such assessment shall have the assent of two thirds (2/3) of the votes of each class of membership who are voting in person or by proxy at a meeting duly called for this purpose. In addition, the Board of Directors may assess a special assessment AGAINST AN OWNER for the cost of repair or restoration on account of damage or injury to the Common Area or any Lot caused by the Owner's negligence or failure to comply with the provisions hereof."

In our case, if the board had cut down the hundred year old live oak trees as they wanted, it would have done little good to recall the board after the fact.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Jim,

Well, I did read your whole message, but I must say it's much too long. I have 2 comments:

1) The members only need to approve improvements that require additional funds (a special assessment). If the funds are already available (in a reserve fund) for the improvement then the members do not need to vote on the improvement.

2) Section 8.02 says the budget "MAY" provide funds for specifically proposed and approved improvements. Meaning, if something comes up during the year the funds needed or allocated may not be in the budget. If Section 8.02 used the word "shall" then it would be required to show allocations for all planned improvements.
AnnaD2 (Florida)
Posts: 960
Posted:
Good morning Ellen. Interesting what your docs say. Yes, there certainly are instances where you don't want your Board to have free range, ESPECIALLY in the instance you told--about cutting down those magnificent trees. It would have been too late. Yet here is another example of people wanting to be on the board for their personal agenda.
EllenS1 (Florida)
Posts: 1,148
Posted:
Anna,

You make a good point..some board members serve for the good of the association and some for their own interests. When this special meeting was coming up we had two board members going door to door asking for a vote for them before all the facts were heard which I resented. I distributed a flier to our 101 members explaining what I knew and we had the highest number of members at the meeting who voted a resounding NO. The members were representing that this was for tree trimming or to remove dying trees..not so.
GerryH (DE)
Posts: 43
Posted:
Ellen,

Over the past couple of years we had a number of examples similar to your. First, our docs and the law is clear. The community (members) must get a copy of the proposed annual assessment 30 days prior to a vote, and the budget must be approved by the majority of the members voting. It also states that any special assessment must be approved seperately by the same percentage. The only time the board has a unilaterial decision is when the situation was an emergency and needed to be addressed immediately.

Over the past 2 yrs or so we've had similar situations as mentioned in the various posts. Late 2007, just before the annual election the then VP spent $14K on tree removal/trimming around a pond which we have. A lot of these trees were a live, and no one even knew he (or the board) was getting this work done until it was in progress. Keep in mind our community was only turned over from the builder in mid-2006. The community been pushing the builder to address some issues in the common area which they did. The builder was going to give back $40K for some issues, but wanted a contract signed relinquishing them of any future issues. This past fall (late Oct) the then board decided to take $20K of that money and use it to buy fountains for the pond. Two things, first we had not yet received any money from the builder (contract not even signed), and secondly no fountains ever existed in the pond previously. The then board, 3 of which is on the current board, claimed that the fountains were for maintenance purposes. Remember they did not previously exist, and the pond has 5 aerators which the builder had just replaced. No votes by the community were taken, no formal discussion, and no study on the impact on on-going costs. Since I am now on the board, I was able to get all of this information, which was never communicated to the community, and the projected impact on the annual budget is an increase of $5K.

This has caused a problem since some community members are now refusing to pay assessments because they feel the prior boards did not act appropriately. Honestly, to some degree I agree.

EllenS1 (Florida)
Posts: 1,148
Posted:
Gerry,

This is what can happen with an out of control board and apethetic owners. Fortunately here in Florida board meetings are open so interested homeowners can attend and keep up on things. Very few do but even if only one or two do they can inform other owners if they believe things are not being done properly. I wish you luck.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Jim, I'm a meat and potatoes kind of guy so what specifically (in 100 words or less) is the BOD trying to create that wasn't there before and are there any limits for capital improvements in your documents. With the exception of the elephant statue all the things you mentioned could either be improvements or maintenance issues.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
JimL6 (Florida)
Posts: 45
Posted:
Hi Mary,

Mary:

The members only need to approve improvements that require additional funds (a special assessment). If the funds are already available (in a reserve fund) for the improvement then the members do not need to vote on the improvement.

Section 8.02 says the budget "MAY" provide funds for specifically proposed and approved improvements. Meaning, if something comes up during the year the funds needed or allocated may not be in the budget. If Section 8.02 used the word "shall" then it would be required to show allocations for all planned improvements.

Jim:

You’re saying that the language of the governing regulations indicates that NOT ALL improvements (changes) of the membership’s own Common Property must be approved by at least 60% of the votes cast by the membership.

I think that your interpretation of the language is incorrect. Here’s why.

Section 6.04c of the Declaration states that “SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS [charges] FOR IMPROVEMENTS [changes] must be APPROVED by at least sixty (60%) percent of the votes cast by members.”

It is logically impossible for the membership TO APPROVE “SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS [charges] FOR IMPROVEMENTS [changes]” unless it approves the “IMPROVEMENTS” (the changes) themselves, hence the phrase “APPROVED IMPROVEMENTS” in section 8.02 of the Bylaws.

Section 8.02 of the Bylaws states that “the Board shall adopt A BUDGET for each calendar year which SHALL INCLUDE the estimated FUNDS required TO DEFRAY (1) THE COMMON EXPENSES and FUNDS FOR (2) RESERVES, IF ANY, and MAY PROVIDE FUNDS FOR (3) specifically proposed and APPROVED IMPROVEMENTS.”

The phrase “approved improvements” in section 8.02 of the Bylaws has to be a reference to membership approval and cannot be a reference to Board approval, because whereas the Board must approve all three things (the “Common Expenses” and the “reserves” and the “approved improvements”) in section 8.02 of the Bylaws, the only one of these three things which is characterized as having been “approved” is the only one of these three things which “must be approved by at least sixty (60%) percent of the votes cast by Members,” as stated in section 6.04c of the Declaration, namely, the “improvements.”

The verbal phrase “shall include” in section 8.02 of the Bylaws is applied both to the “funds” for the “Common Expenses” and to the “funds” for the “reserves, if any,” in contrast to which the verbal phrase “may provide” is applied only to the “funds” for “approved improvements.”

Notice that the “reserves, if any” (shall include funds) and the “approved improvements” (may provide funds) are categorized SEPARATELY in section 8.02 of the Bylaws. Thus, the “reserves” are NOT to be used for the “approved improvements.”

Notice also that in section 6.04c of the Declaration, it is NOT ALL Special Assessments, but only “Special Assessments FOR IMPROVEMENTS,” which must be approved by at least 60% of the votes cast by the membership. It is the IMPROVEMENTS which trigger the 60% membership vote-of-approval requirement. This means that ALL IMPROVEMENTS must be approved by at least 60% of the votes cast by the membership.

So every improvement (every change) of the membership’s Common Property must be approved by at least 60% of the membership, hence the phrase “approved improvements” in section 8.02 of the Bylaws, and the payment for the expense of every approved improvement is always the result of a Special Assessment (a charge for any expense other than the expense of the annual budget), which must likewise be approved by at least 60% of the membership.

The verbal phrase “may provide” is applied to the “approved improvements,” NOT because improvements MUST NOT ALWAYS BE APPROVED by at least 60% of the membership, but because improvements (changes) of the membership’s Common Property DO NOT ALWAYS (IF EVER) OCCUR.

It is conceivable that if the membership liked its Common Property the way it was and NEVER wanted it changed (improved), but only maintained (neither made better nor allowed to become worse), then funds for “approved improvements” (approved changes) would NEVER be provided in the payment for the annual budget, hence the phrase “may provide.”

The governing regulations give the membership the authority to decide what can or cannot be done with its own Common Property (the 60% membership vote-of-approval requirement for EVERY IMPROVEMENT [EVERY CHANGE] of its Common Property) and with its own money (the 60% membership vote-of-approval requirement for EVERY SPECIAL ASSESSMENT [EVERY CHARGE] for the expense of EVERY IMPROVEMENT [EVERY CHANGE] of its Common Property).

If the Board tries to circumvent the membership’s authority, then the membership has the authority to replace the Board. Whether the Board likes it or not, the Board is subordinate to the membership in the regulations which govern the Board. That’s how it should be, because it’s the membership’s Common Property and it’s the membership’s money, NOT the Board’s.

Power corrupts, and some Boards have a tendency to forget their role and their purpose and their place as an administrative body which is subordinate to the membership.

Remember the “pink elephant” example in my first message. The membership has to have the right and the authority to approve or disapprove ANY/EVERY improvement (CHANGE) of its Common Property, because it has to be able to say NO to ANY/EVERY “PINK ELEPHANT” (any/every unwanted change of its own Common Property).

The idea that the Board is allowed to sneak in an UNAPPROVED IMPROVEMENT (UNWANTED CHANGE) of the MEMBERSHIP’S Common Property is contrary both to the language and to the logic of the regulations which govern the Board.

Jim

JimL6 (Florida)
Posts: 45
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By GlenL on 01/18/2009 12:25 PM
Jim, I'm a meat and potatoes kind of guy so what specifically (in 100 words or less) is the BOD trying to create that wasn't there before and are there any limits for capital improvements in your documents. With the exception of the elephant statue all the things you mentioned could either be improvements or maintenance issues.

Sorry, Glen. I didn't see your message until I posted my last message. I'll keep it to 100 words or less from now on. Again, sorry.
JimL6 (Florida)
Posts: 45
Posted:
Hi Glen,

The Board proceeded with an 8 million dollar improvement (change) of the membership's Common Property despite the membership specifically telling the Board not to do so. Further, against the wishes of the membership, it borrowed 8 million dollars for this improvement project, which was never even proposed to the membership, much less approved by at least 60% of the votes cast by the membership. The membership then mounted a recall of the Board and succeeded in getting enough votes to replace at least 4 of the 7 Directors. It's still working on getting the other 3 replaced; not all of the votes are in. The Board has an ambition to make the membership's Common Property what it would like it to become, whereas most of the membership likes its Common Property the way it is. Also, most of the membership wants to wait for the economy to improve before going forward with any large expenditures and before going into debt.

Jim
GerryH (DE)
Posts: 43
Posted:
Ellen,

You are so correct. Since the board meetings are now open I'm trying to encourage more people to attend so that they at least see/hear what's going on.

Gerry
EllenS1 (Florida)
Posts: 1,148
Posted:
Our docs say the assessment can go up 5% per year EXCEPT for an increase in landscaping. You are right, depends on what your covenants say.
EllenS1 (Florida)
Posts: 1,148
Posted:
Jim,

Whoever said that women talked more than men? Only kidding but lenghty posts are often not read..people just want the gist of the problem and not all the details.
SusannaM (Florida)
Posts: 366
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JimL6 on 01/18/2009 1:38 PM
Hi Glen,

The Board proceeded with an 8 million dollar improvement (change) of the membership's Common Property despite the membership specifically telling the Board not to do so. Further, against the wishes of the membership, it borrowed 8 million dollars for this improvement project, which was never even proposed to the membership, much less approved by at least 60% of the votes cast by the membership. The membership then mounted a recall of the Board and succeeded in getting enough votes to replace at least 4 of the 7 Directors. It's still working on getting the other 3 replaced; not all of the votes are in. The Board has an ambition to make the membership's Common Property what it would like it to become, whereas most of the membership likes its Common Property the way it is. Also, most of the membership wants to wait for the economy to improve before going forward with any large expenditures and before going into debt.

Jim

JimL, haven't read your entire original post and I'm curious. Has your HOA transitioned from developer control yet ??

JimL6 (Florida)
Posts: 45
Posted:
SusannaM:

Has your HOA transitioned from developer control yet ??

Jim:

Yes.
JimL6 (Florida)
Posts: 45
Posted:
Just as the Board has denied the 60% membership vote-of-approval requirement, now it is denying the recall. On to arbitration.
JimL6 (Florida)
Posts: 45
Posted:
In the meeting in which the Board denied the recall, it spent a large part of the meeting reading aloud all of the addresses of the members who voted to recall it (over 437), stating that it would subsequently recite all of the names of these members. The Board has made it clear that it will go out of its way to publicly identify every member who voted to recall it. What is implicit in this course of action is the Board's hope that someone will do something bad to these members and/or to their properties. So the Board has added intimidation to to denial as its strategy. What the Board is doing is certainly inappropriate, if not illegal.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Jim,

Is your assn under Chapter 720 of the FL HOA statutes? If so, does the board know about 720.303(10) Recall of Directors? If not, perhaps you should give them a copy. OF course if FL is like so many other states with no state agency to oversee HOAs, then the board can just ignore state law. In most instances no one is going to spend the $$$$ to take them to court!

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