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ThomasD2 (California)
Posts: 208
Posted:
I live in Los Angeles, so perhaps it is not surprising that the dispute I am embroiled in involves parking.  It is a long standing and difficult to solve problem.  Nevertheless, I feel that more and more the residents have gotten used to ignoring our parking CCR's which have not been enforced.   Not sure I would get much argument there, but it is a difficult to solve problem.  I have gone to meetings and demanded that something be done and have complained that I think my safety is threatened; emergency vehicles have no access! After a couple of years of frustration I have contacted the "Alternative dispute Resolution" program at the Los Angeles city attorneys' office.  

The head of our management company informed the ADR people it was something only the board could resolve.  Then the head of the board called and wrote emails to inform me that this is not how we resolve things, you should not have gone to ADR,  I had to be more patient, why would I do such a thing, etc.   But most curiously the president of the board said the head of the management company said "ADR does not apply of our HOA" and "they have no jurisdiction."  When I pressed the head of the management company to clarify this he emailed that:

"As I understand, there is no dispute regarding parking.  The concern is enforcement.  IDR’s intent does not apply here. "

Did I attempt to engage in Alternative Dispute Resolution through the wrong body?? What does this mean??
Tom
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Good question.

I would consider your "dispute" with the HOA to be lack of enforcement.

I'll be interested to see what feedback you get on this.

Sorry I can't be much help, but California is its own animal! We do have lots of California posters here, though.

With hope one or two of them can help you!
KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
Unfortunately, many people don't believe that ADR applies until there is some sort of money at stake. I suspect that in your case, they only see you as having a complaint and won't consider the issue in the manner you do until such time as you put their feet to the fire.
ThomasD2 (California)
Posts: 208
Posted:
If you are correct, it sadly ruins the spirit of the alternative resolution process. Encourages them to seek legal help, which this is meant to avoid, makes them even more resentful, rather than encouraging them to think someone is taking them seriously. I was particularly bitter that the head of the management company told the ADR people that he could not get in the middle of such disputes, but then when it was a bit more convenient pretty much did exactly that. -Tom
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Thomas I would suggest you visit http://www.davis-stirling.com/index.html under Main Index they have an extensive section on ADR in California, you might find your answer there.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Thomas,
I Goggled ADR In California (Advanced search) and came up with a bunch of information. I didn't fine tooth it but maybe you can find something specific. I have read where the ADR program is Florida in inundated with the volume of requests and from what little I have read, their program produces a lot of replies similar to yours.

http://www.adr.cand.uscourts.gov/

You might check this out but I suspect you have.

If there is an office you can go to, maybe go there and get direction on how to present your issues. Right away, I suspect, from you reply and the PM input and Board response this is not going to be easy.

But maybe rules are specific and procedure is all. who knows.

I would think if your complex is not too large and this problem has been around for a while, there may be reasons these conditions exist. All the way from a physical size limitation to some kind of result of past battles being settled and more people are satisfied than are not.

My advice would be, do some extensive INTERNET research and see what you come up with. You also can search this site (Top of page right) and click on CAN link left side in yellow on this site, and search their Library. If you do find specifics, let us know and if you get to the nuts and bolts of actually cracking the shell, maybe someone here can help you formulate a proposal. Also we have a number of California posters that are likely to chime in.
NancyL4 (California)
Posts: 60
Posted:
Thomas
Your association should send out their dispute resolution policy on an annual basis. This policy should outline the procedures for both IDR and ADR. I am going to attempt to attach a sample policy that has references to the civil code that you can check out.
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ThomasD2 (California)
Posts: 208
Posted:
Thanks for recommending the David Stirling website it contains a lot of useful information. I am still confused about the "dispute" vs. "enforcement" business. -Tom
ThomasD2 (California)
Posts: 208
Posted:
Thanks. This website must be useful because the remarks about the nature of "past battles" and "more people being satisfiend than not" are very perceptive! -Tom
ThomasD2 (California)
Posts: 208
Posted:
Thanks for the sample ADR document. The policy mailed out each year by our manager is two pages long. It does contain remarks such as that California civil code "1354" requires owners and associations to "endeavor" to participate in ADR and that "a member of an association may refuse a request to meet. The association may not refuse a request." This makes the head of our management companies indication that ADR does not apply here even more mysterious .-Tom
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Thomas,
Your management reply and your perception of what they said is probably a little left of center. I would imagine if you confront them with the ADR document and question why they don't abide, they will say your issue does not apply in the way it is proposed. Just games and if they really had concern for your trouble they should actually help you pose something that is acceptable. Or it could be someone had a bad day and just didn't want to mess around with the subject matter. It is more strange but probably unavoidable that if you would have an issue between you and the C/M, you are expected to go there for consul to dot the i's and cross the t's.

Just keep getting on and gradually you will push the right buttons and a door will open a crack. That crack can come in many ways, accept them all, from a Board Member asking you specifically about your problems to an invite to speak before the Board or a proposal; to have a sit down with the P/M.

Once the nuts and bolts are established and written down and conveyed, the rest is more patience than brains. Just keep leaning on the door.
ThomasD2 (California)
Posts: 208
Posted:
Oh boy, again I would have to say that Robert's comments are unusually perceptive. I would like to say "I'm tired of talking, they have to fix this damn problem." You commented that this may involve "more patience than brains" and getting the door "to open a crack." This may be more true than I really would like to admit. It all seems so much more clear cut on "Law and Order" and is solved before the next commercial comes on.-Tom
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Well Tom, I am glad to hear we got this little problem solved. As often happens with this association stuff we get so far in the morass , we forget what the problem was. But again, we did it, and we can expect that to last for as long as it takes to post this message. But as an old salt (I expect), you do know that many times, the chase is better than getting the gold.

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