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GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
Posts: 975
Posted:
This is part 1 of a two part post. Read this first.

For sometime I have wanted to post my thoughts about apathy and volunteering. It has taken a while to get those thoughts in order as I have read the various posts bemoaning a lack of participation and the absence of volunteering in covenant communities.

The whole topic brings to mind the following excerpt from a review written by Clarence N. Stone of Evan McKinzie's Privatopia: Homeowner Associations and the Rise of Residential Private Government in the American Political Science Review [emphasis added].
    McKenzie views CIDs [common interest developments] as a bundle of unintended consequences, a change being promoted without awareness of its social and political impact. Even local governments have facilitated CIDs, looking only at the short-term gains in property tax base. Officials fail to appreciate that CIDs represent "a near-total privatization of the process by which urban and suburban land is converted to residential property" (p. 28). This form of privatization is no mere parallel to contracting out trash collection to a private company. It reshapes the practice of citizenship and is the abdication of a basic power of modern government, "the land planning function itself" (p. 182).

    Homeowner associations also exercise considerable control over aspects of the daily lives of residents; but the exercise of power by associations does not give rise to the kind of public debate and participation that might grow out of the exercise of public authority over a diverse citizenry. Because all homeowners share an interest in the protection of the common investment they have made, the incentive to participate and air differences of viewpoint is weak, and associations have been found to foster "a culture of nonparticipation"
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It seems to me that there are two reinforcing forces at work. The first is commonly known as the 80/20 Rule (Pareto optimality). Simply put as an example in nearly every endeavor, 80 percent of the work is done by just 20 percent of the people. What it means to a homeowner association is that we should expect only 20 percent of the unit owners (at most) will take an active interest in the affairs of the association.

The second force is a nearly universal desire to view our homes as respites from the stresses of the daily world. Most people in the United States lead highly stressed lives in their occupations and other activities. Home becomes a sanctuary from the world, a place where individuals and families use to escape the stressors of the world outside (but face, nevertheless, the stresses of family life). The last thing people want is to deal with the stresses of neighbors and community issues, making decisions about whom they should elect to the board, what the budget should be, and so on.

Perhaps acting as a catalyst to this phenomena, is the increasing social isolation that characterizes our culture and society. It was first termed as "bowling alone" in a now famous book by Robert D. Putnam, Bowling Alone: The collapse and revival of American Community. Putnam shows how we have become increasingly disconnected from family, friends, neighbors, and our democratic structures.

When only 9-13 percent of the eligible voters turn out to vote in township elections, it is difficult to imagine that homeowners associations elections would do much better at grabbing involvement of their members.

It could be--and it is worth thinking about--that McKinzie is right on the money when he asserts that homeowners associations "foster a culture of non-participation." A large proportion of homeowners will pay their fees just to have somebody else deal with issues of their community. Members want a board of directors to run things so they do not have to be involved, even to the point of not voting. And, members will long suffer inequities of bad management, putting up with bad boards and bad decisions, as long as they do not have to be involved.

I think the same analysis can be used as a starting point in thinking about why people don't volunteer. I have left that for the second part of this posting.
GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
Posts: 975
Posted:
Part 2 of 2 (Please read part 1 first)

Rather than bemoan the lack of volunteering and apathy in homeowners associations, we should be thinking about what we can do about it. To simply say that we have tried and failed, and now give up is not sufficient.

First though, some parameters to guide our thinking.

We know that effective, frequent communication is important to building a successful volunteer program. However, it is a satisfier, not a motivator. Indeed, communication may have the unintended effect of creating such a sense of well-being and association effectiveness that members see no need to volunteer.

We also know that all the conventional wisdom stuff about encouraging volunteering in our associations is not working. At some point, we have to face up to the uncomfortable conclusion that the conventional wisdom is wrong, " 'cuz it ain't workin' no more."

What we find is that after trying all the conventional stuff and discovering that it (1) takes an enormous amount of effort and (2) simply doesn't work, board members give up. Instead of blaming their own ineffective efforts because they know no different, they blame their neighbors for the lack of interest, participation, spirit and volunteering. They blame their neighbors for not caring enough, for not following their lead, for not taking the same interest in the association as they do.

When conventional thinking and wisdom doesn't work, it is time for some unconventional wisdom and creative approaches. Aside from giving up, the worst strategy is keep doing the same things over and over again, expecting a different outcome. If it doesn't work, look for another idea, and keep trying until you find something that works.

Here are seven more or less unconventional ideas to get a long-term discussion going. (Some of these ideas may be in operation already. Let's hear about them.)

First, how much money does the association budget for programs and activities that build community spirit, a sense of participation, and a desire to volunteer? I bet most communities spend very little on these activities. Somehow, we have the notion that such expenditures are inappropriate. Yet, in the same breath as we object to these types of expenditures, we complain about the lack of participation and volunteers. I would suggest that such expenditures are not only appropriate, but essential to the long-term well being of a homeowners association. And the sooner we recognize that, the more successful the outcome.

Second, is there a member of the board specifically charged with the responsibility to build community participation, spirit and volunteering? If not, why not? If participation is as important as we say it is, then it should be the ongoing focus of an elected association officer. There should be an officer of the association accountable to both the board and the members for successfully building and maintaining participation and volunteering (Vice President of Volunteer Enlistment and Community Spirit).

Third, if you have a property manager or management company, what are they doing for your community to build community spirit and participation? Or, does professional management actually encourage (an unintended consequence) a further diminution of community participation? Do any property management companies have people on their staff who can work with community leaders to build participation? Do these people come with new ideas, apart from the now-failed conventional wisdom?

Fourth, we have go to stop thinking in terms of committees (e.g. newsletter committee), and start thinking in terms of tasks. In the modern world, people see committees as stressful activities, rather than useful consensus building tools. "I'm too busy to serve on a committee." Or, "I don't know anybody else, and I don't want to get involved." Our culture is shying away from the notion of committees. Instead of asking a person to join a committee, with all that implies, ask a member to help with the newsletter in a specific way (see below).

Fifth, instead of publishing a notice in the newsletter that the association needs volunteers for some activity, get on the phone and ask people. They won't come to you. You as a board member have to reach out. And expect to be turned down five times (at least) for every yes you get. But use those turn downs to your advantage, and keep coming back for help. Eventually, after five or six tries you will find people willing to get involved.
    "Will you give a couple of hours this month to stuff, label, stamp and seal envelopes?"

    "Will you drop by my house to pick up a check and take it to the post office and buy 3 rolls of stamps for the newsletter by next Tuesday?

    "Will you pick up the newsletters from the printer and deliver them to ___ for stuffing on Friday.
The arguments I have heard about this kind of effort is that "it takes more time to round up the volunteers than it takes to do it myself." That is, indeed, true. But it misses the target. The objective of seeking volunteers to do a task is to build participation community spirit, and volunteering, not just to get the task accomplished. It is designed to get people involved. If done well, both objectives are achieved.

Sixth, what is your board doing today--right now--to identify and nurture successor officers and board members? That should be one of the critical functions of a board and a nominating committee. Yet, it is not part of conventional wisdom. There is no counterpart in associations to political parties which are invested by our political system to do such leadership building activities.

Seventh, what is your association doing to help members make intelligent voting decisions at election time? Making decisions is a stressful activity. If members don't know how to make reasoned choices among candidates, they will simply not vote. And those that do, will rely on the choices of the nominating committee. "Well, all the candidates must make good board members, since the nominating committee chose them. I don't need to vote."

I think what it comes down to is the recognition that (1) homeowners associations do, indeed, foster a culture of non-participation, albeit unintended, (2) unconventional thinking and action is needed to change things and (3) the association needs to invest more than token resources into building community spirit, participation and volunteering.

The role of the true servant leader is not to do the job, but to see that it gets done.

What unconventional wisdom do you have to add to the discussion?
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

George,

Everything that you posted is as correct as can be. I agree with the fact that there is a problem with lack of volunteering and there is apathy. But what I really want to know is what can be done about it? Saying that only 9 to 13 % of elegible voters turn out to vote in township elections makes 50 or 60 % of HOA members showing up to vote seem like paradise.

Perhaps the higher number of HOA voters reflects the thought that as an individual voter amoung only a few hundred members, my vote might have a higher impact on results of that vote? Maybe not because how I think is different from how others think or perhaps rationalize this.

And the social isolation of our society is a result or perhaps is in actuality, the result of our "ME FIRST SOCIETY"
Thanks for this post. We know the problem, now we must find the true cause and better yet, find solutions.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Okay,
I read part 2. "The role of the true servant leader is not to do the job, but to see that it gets done. "

Sort of like the "MINUTE MANAGER" Book by Phd Kenneth Blanchard. Education of all Board members being a start. My Florida Association where I have a rental has a telephone relay system. NO ONE ever does not get information in any situation. These are 55+ folks.

Your 3rd item is a real dilly to answer. I often wonder if a manager might remove some of the inspiration of members to aid in simple tasks that involves members. I don't know.

So??? How unconventional should we become? Again, this is a great post with lots of food for thought.
EllenS1 (Florida)
Posts: 1,148
Posted:
George,

My recommendation is to give up on the board, hire a receiver (or whatever the title is), increase assessments to pay for this service and see if this prompts volunteeers. Most people just don't get it until it hits them in the pocketbok.
hoatalk (California)
Posts: 603
Posted:
What about member education?

People here know all about community associations....but.....How many of your members actually know that the Association is a volunteer organization and they have responsibility in it? Where does the average owner learn this fact? I'd bet they normally don't.

The home buyer hears this: The community has a pool and tennis courts and it only costs you $500/year. Buyer thinks "hey this is a good deal..I pay my fees and get these great amenities and ... The management company handles it all."

So maybe some of the apathy is just the average owner thinking they are paying for a service and getting it, just like they pay for water and power. They may not understand the need for volunteers and the responsibility they signed up for.

The question is how to change that situation.

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MicheleD (Kentucky)
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Posted By hoatalk on 01/13/2009 4:05 PM
What about member education?

People here know all about community associations....but.....How many of your members actually know that the Association is a volunteer organization and they have responsibility in it? Where does the average owner learn this fact? I'd bet they normally don't.

The home buyer hears this: The community has a pool and tennis courts and it only costs you $500/year. Buyer thinks "hey this is a good deal..I pay my fees and get these great amenities and ... The management company handles it all."

So maybe some of the apathy is just the average owner thinking they are paying for a service and getting it, just like they pay for water and power. They may not understand the need for volunteers and the responsibility they signed up for.

The question is how to change that situation.

Excellent articulation of what I was trying to put into a cogent post.

This is where regular communication -- from the board to the membership -- and I don't mean just the required, formal stuff -- is but one small piece of the puzzle.

But even that is only a hair of what needs to be done.

It's interesting because we have spent the last several decades moving away from community-centric living to individual-centric lifestyles. Our society has drifted from the conjoined interest in the town-center, everyone is an important piece of the unit, to the compartmentalized, self-contained unit in and of itself.

So when people come home at the end of the day, everything on the other side of the door is someone else's problem.

Interesting conversation.

RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Commenting of George's OP , we have to accept that one size doesn't fit all. All this, by the demands of demographics require we do no cookie cutter these innovations.

That means, to me, the Board must have a keen eye and a keen ear to discern what will work for their locale. This board knowledge may be to some extent passed down but in any event it has to be a continuing process, and that is why I rate George's suggestion that a Board member be assigned to report on "the state of the union", so to speak. If this person is given high support and some latitude, I think then, positive results will follow.

It is a thought provoking post. Those of us old in tooth are saddled with historic observations of innovative ideas over the years. At a Board meeting in the distant past the suggestion was made that maybe there could be an "Open session" for any member to discuss what was bugging them, and time limits were presented. The idea was voted down, in part, because the President stated if the Board allows this to happen, no one will stay for the rest of the meeting.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RobertR1 on 01/13/2009 5:32 PM
Commenting of George's OP , we have to accept that one size doesn't fit all.

. . . amen . . .
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Great post! In fact, I've cut and pasted this and will pass it on to my fellow board members. If we are able to get people on our strategic planning committee, I'll distribute this to them - it would be a great way to start discussions.

Thninking out the box really is important - we had a board member who often said this is what our group needed to do (unfortunately, she's no longer with us because of - delinquencies). However, I plan to talk to her and keep her active as a volunteer because she was big on walking around the community and meeting people.

The statement about 20% of the people doing 80% (100, really) of the work is definately true. Our job is to find who those folks are, give them things to do and see what happens. One of our homeowners recently commented that many people won't do anything unless they can see they'll get something out of it - I think what our board will need to do is pump up some of the positive things that have happened instead of yakking only about delinquencies. People need to hear about that too, but maybe if we compliment people on doing things for the community without being asked, that will encourage others.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 967
Posted:
Our esteemed Sponsor writes:

>>>How many of your members actually know that the Association is a volunteer organization and they have responsibility in it? Where does the average owner learn this fact? I'd bet they normally don't.<<<

Have to respectfully disagree, at least as to our HOA. Our Members had to join in order to purchase a home here. Now, one could argue that as they were not compelled to purchase, they voluntarily joined, but I don't think that is volunteering in the general sense of the term.

Our BODers are certainly volunteers, but beyond us, or others that chip in from time to time on projects, Membership owes the HOA nothing 'cept their quarterly dues and obedience of the rules. They have no other responsibilities nor are any expected. Membership is not required to vote, to attend meetings, sign up for our swell web site, read our Updates nor to participate in any HOA activities.

I, after 5 years of non-participation, finally got actively involved because I had a personal agenda and interests I wanted to pursue and protect. If I didn't have the specific lot I lived on, and if I didn't care about the amount of cash I had to hand over each year, and if our previous PM hadn't jerked me around, I would have left everything to others.

Do I enjoy my BOD duties? Yes. Have I accomplished my agenda? For the most part; by the end of my three year term, completely. Have I benefitted the community? Absolutely. But at the end of the day, my volunteerism is essentially all about me. That others have profitted from my efforts is secondary.

I don't buy the concept of altruism. I do believe any acts by any organism, from snails to humans, are always based on PERCEIVED self-interest. That is the only true motivation.

Soooooo......if Members do not PERCEIVE a self-interest, they will not act because there is no reason to.

If you ask me.

RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Oh my JohnK,I can't think of much in your post that really explains the facts. Correction! Much that explains the fact as explained in my document. You articulate your feeling well, too bad they are suspect.

I could be off base here for your association but probbaly not.

If you read your acceptance papers when you agreed to reside in your community, you also agreed to abide by all the CC&R's. This is not a small undemanding step you took. The Boards are also owners, and really their role on the Board comes after their agreement to serve the organization by signing your resident papers or whatever you call them. Have you given any thouight to the fact the owners elect the board and can recall the Board. The Board can not recall the owners and boot them out of the association. So who is more powerful. Another question? If you as an owner knew absolutely some Board member was skimming funds, do you have the legal obligation to blow the whistle? You bet your Booty and you could go to jaill along with the culprit, if you don't fess up.

I imagine you get my opinion so I will say no more about that.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
John,

You said: "Have to respectfully disagree, at least as to our HOA. Our Members had to join in order to purchase a home here."

Your HOA is no different that all others; when one purchases the property they automatically become a member of the assn. I think what HOA Talk is trying to get across is that many HOA members do not understand the concept of an HOA. They don't understand that it is a volunteer assn and each property owner DOES have a certain amount of resp. as a member. The HOA could not survive w/o volunteerism. I think part of the problem is lack of adequate disclosure and in most cases no educational outlets. Many states have certain requirements to provide certain disclosure documents, but those documents don't tell the whole story of living in an HOA. Several years ago, AZ attempted to tackle the disclosure problem by enacting a law requiring the HOA provide the following statement to a potential buyer, which must be signed and returned to the HOA w/i 14 days:

"I hereby acknowledge that the declaration, bylaws and rules of the assn constitute a contract between the assn and me (the purchaser). By signing this statement, I acknowledge that I have read and understand the assn's contract with me (the purchaser). I also understand that as a matter of AZ law, if I fail to pay my assn assessments, the assn may foreclose on my property."

Many cities are starting educational classes, which are very beneficial -- not only to board members but members alike. It's been bantered around that board members should be required to take these courses; however, many feel this would only be a turn-off to running for a board position. Frankly, it's amazing how little many board members know and oftentimes it's not because they don't want to learn it that they don't know where to go to get info.

hoatalk (California)
Posts: 603
Posted:
Mary, You are correct about the intent of the HOATalk post above: Many owner's don't really know much about a HOA or condo association, which is why owner's refer to the association or the board as 'they'. In other words, they view the association as an outside group that 'runs' the community. As long as owners feel that way, then they would not see a need to volunteer.

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GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
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Posted:
I have been quietly watching and thinking carefully about the responses posted here. It seems to have become somewhat, but not entirely off track, as usual. The question seems to be, "do members have an obligation to serve the community, or is this some sort of Utopian ideal or expectation."

I think a legitimate case can be made for either side of the argument.

Perhaps there is another other outside the box ideas that should be put on the table for discussion.

Eighth, do your covenant documents clearly outline the responsibilities and expectations of homeowners over and above the requirement to adhere to restrictions, rules and regulations and pay assessments? Do your documents specify what community service expectations are for each owner? It seems to me that if service to the association is such a vital a part of what it means to live in a covenant community, expectations need to be clearly mandated in the covenants themselves.
    Section X. A. Each unit owner is required to provide a minimum of 2 hours of community service to the association annually. The board of directors shall be empowered to specify those service activities meet the requirements of this section and to provide reasonable exemptions for illness, disability or other reasons.

    B. In lieu of the community service obligation, a unit owner, at his sole discretion, may pay an additional assessment, the amount of which shall be determined from time to time by the board of directors.

    Section XX. Each unit owners is required to attend the annual meeting and to vote on all matters brought before the meeting. In lieu of such attendance and voting, a unit owner may execute and delivery a proxy designating another member of the association to vote in his stead. The board of directors may levy fines and assess other penalties for failure to attend and vote.
Of course, once community service is specified, it is no longer voluntary.
DanaB1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 319
Posted:
Here's my view:

Almost any association replicates a town, the town replicates the state, the state replicates the nation.

In any one of the above the majority doesn't give a rat's butt as to what is going on. The majority don't understand what's going on nor do they want to know.

When the poop hits the fan such as with the national economy then you get people waking up and doing something; i.e. voting. BUT, all these people voted for "change" in the last election; what kind of "change" are they looking for? The change that is needed sure won't be the one that makes them happy. The change needed whether it be Federal or in individual states is to stop spending money and start coming up with a budget that works. That means no more free money to those that can't fend for themselves AND/OR raising taxes! Do you think that is the change Americans were hoping for? Heck no. The majority is looking for some magic pill to make all the bad stuff go away.

And your idea for mandatory community service? We already have that..........it's called Jury Duty. How many people are able to scam their way out of that? Quite a few.
GloriaL (Georgia)
Posts: 195
Posted:
I also have been watching this thread with great interest. Volunteerism has been a source of great discouragement among our small community. Most HO's feel that their participation stops with the payment of their Dues, which should cover paying someone to do what needs to be done. Our BOD has been very frugal with our meager funds, and been able not to raise Dues more than 5% by our own "sweat equity." But we have reached the point of burn out. Someone had posted that there is an 80/20 rule where 20% of the people do 80% of the work...that is our Community.

At our last BOD Meeting, in preparing our budget for 2009 to present at our Annual Meeting (which the Membership does not get to vote on), we now included funds for paying for everything. We have to justify our increase in Dues (5% totals a mere $15.00 increase!) so there it is.
I have become cynical in my thinking. Most people will volunteer IF somehow, they benefit from their service...I said MOST people, so please don't take offense. That seems to be the experience here, at least.

If it were written into our CCR's, as George had suggested, then they would be obligated to donate time along with paying their Dues. However, it is not, therefore, they do not...simple.

We barely make quorum at the Annual Meeting. No one attends the BOD Meetings, although all HomeOwners are always invited by signs, email, flyer and Minutes of previous Meetings. I have come to accept that this is the nature of the beast with volunteerism/participation in our HOA. I believe that the rest of the BOD has come to the same conclusion. If no one likes how things are being done, they can run for a BOD position and change things.

As posted before, everyone wants change, but that change may not be what is expected. There is the old adage "be careful of what you wish for." The days, weeks, months and years ahead, both for our small community and our great Nation, will see what change will bring us. I can only pray for the best outcome...anything else is unthinkable.

Gloria
GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
Posts: 975
Posted:
I think you have hit upon something really important here, Gloria.

As John said--and I think he is right on the money--there is no such thing as altruism as we think of it.

Every act by every living thing is motivated by self interest. Simply put, people volunteer because they get something out of it. It may be nothing more than a good feeling (psychic reward) or perhaps a sense of assuaging guilt feelings, or social contact.

In building community spirit, participation and volunteering, I think the challenge becomes, therefore, offering a basket of varied and different rewards that will appeal to a significant number of members. They may not be direct financial rewards to the members, but they will likely cost some money, and should be included in the association budget.

The alternative, of course, is to pay for services rendered. I see nothing wrong with that. We pay postage to mail newsletter to members, so there should be nothing untoward to pay a member of the association to hand deliver the same newsletters in lieu of postage. But for some reason, we expect that delivery service to be "free."

As the chestnut goes, "If it is everybody's business, it is nobody's business." And that encapsulates one of the problem with homeowners associations. There is no sense of, or expectation for, accountability among members. Indeed, I have come to believe that homeowners associations foster a sense of nonparticipation among residents. It part of a larger societal and cultural issue of the diminution of "social capital."

I think board members develop a distorted sense of the problem. I think board members somehow come to expect that everyone in the community should have the same commitment to volunteer time and energy that they have made. And when it doesn't happen automatically (e.g. without effort), board members become disillusioned and cynical.

But from a members point of view, we elect the board to make the decisions and do the work so owners don't have to. It gets back to the notion of a home as a respite from the stresses of the world. And as long as the fees are reasonable and the management work gets done, association members are satisfied, albeit not happy.

It is Utopian to expect homeowners association members to volunteer in large numbers and to take an interest in their community outside of their own homes. I have not seen a single covenant declaration that requires owners to contribute time in addition to paying the assessment.

There are three obvious solutions. The first is to simply give up trying to build participation. The second is to start paying for services required and received. The third is to (1) start thinking outside the box and be creative, (2) invest more than a token amount of association resources in programs to build community spirit, participation and volunteering, and (3) work at it.

I have found through long experience that the best way to get someone to do something for you, for free (financially), is to ask face to face, not to post a notice in a newsletter. Telephoning is the second best.

At first, I expect to be turned down five or six times for every person I ask. But as time goes one, a person will only refuse you so many times before saying yes. And what I find, is that face-to-face asking is an investment in participation, community spirit, and volunteering that has a substantial return over time. It actually works.

Here is another radical outside-the-box thought: hire a person to secure volunteers for specific projects by going door-to-door or by telephoning owners/residents. (The AmVets pay telephoners to work from home, calling residents in a neighborhood before the pick up truck is scheduled to come by. It works for them.) Set some clear goals and perhaps offer a commission or bonus for achieving those goals. It is no different than paying a resident to deliver newsletters in lieu of paying the Postal Service to do the same job. Nor is it any different than paying an attorney or a landscape maintenance company, or an accountant, or a management company.

Does it work? We can ask people who are running for election to various local political offices. Given the number of people who knock on my door before an election to "get out the vote" or to ask for my support, suggests it does. Face to face works. Perhaps homeowners associations can learn something from politics.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Slightly off topic; I apologize but here's how to kill volunteerism. In the spring a large group of homeowners in an association near me wanted to help, they asked the BOD for permission to post notices in each building (condo) to gather volunteers. Board said great, print up your sign up sheets we need volunteers. Well first the sign up sheets went up a month late because the BOD president couldn't be bothered to return a phone call but up they went and a surprising number of people signed up. Next meeting the question was asked when can we start? BOD response, "We're getting together to write up charters for each of the groups (landscape, planning, maintenance) and should be ready soon." Cut to six-seven months later, no charters, no committees and sadly no volunteers.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By GlenL on 01/15/2009 3:41 PM
Slightly off topic; I apologize but here's how to kill volunteerism. In the spring a large group of homeowners in an association near me wanted to help, they asked the BOD for permission to post notices in each building (condo) to gather volunteers. Board said great, print up your sign up sheets we need volunteers. Well first the sign up sheets went up a month late because the BOD president couldn't be bothered to return a phone call but up they went and a surprising number of people signed up. Next meeting the question was asked when can we start? BOD response, "We're getting together to write up charters for each of the groups (landscape, planning, maintenance) and should be ready soon." Cut to six-seven months later, no charters, no committees and sadly no volunteers.

yup.

and the converse of that, several years back we had a resident stand up at an annual meeting getting on our case for not having a Welcome Committee. We explained that we've had one off and on for a couple years, but the volunteers just drift away. She couldn't understand why the board just didn't do it and that if we couldn't "find the time," then maybe some of them should handle it for us.

We told them we'd be thrilled to have some volunteers step forward to handle that committee.

The Squeaky Wheel said she would chair it and claimed to have had about 3 or 4 other residents who were going to work with her on it.

After the meeting, I sent her our mailing list, or community local business information, copies of our CC&Rs for each of our 9 sections, the website for finding out which section a certain lot is in, our previous "Welcome Letter" that included all key details about our association, including history, who to call for what issue, our website, copies of our logo, both printed out and electronic, the resources for monitoring residential real estate transfers, etc etc etc etc.

In short, we provided the committee with everything they would need to hit the ground running.

After about a month I sent her a follow up email to see if she needed any more information or any additional help.

No reply.

A couple months later I ran into her on the street. I asked again and she said they were still working on some details and asked how do we find out who new owners are and how do we know when a home is sold?

I reminded her of the content information email I sent. It had all that information in it, where to go to find out when a sale is made. . . how to keep track of deed transfers, etc.

She thanked me and said they'd be right on it.

I even re-sent the detail that night, just in case she couldn't find it.

Fast forward to the next annual meeting, another resident stands up and asks why we don't have a Welcome Committee (she had just moved in that year and didn't know about the HOA until she got her assessment statement) . . . the Previous Squeaky Wheel was there and when everyone turned to her she bald faced said, "We were not able to get enough information from the board to get the committee off the ground."

Ouch.

Everyone turned back to the board. I did speak up and say that we sent as much detail as we had, which was quite a bit, but if there were any questions or if she were confused about any of the information she had, we'd be more than happy to meet with her and her committee members to do a workshop, if that would help.

She said that would be great.

We never heard from her again and she never attended another annual meeting.

RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
I think Michele and Glen are both telling the truth.
JenniferM10 (Illinois)
Posts: 97
Posted:
I'm giving this old thread a little bump because I feel like there's a lot of valuable information here and I'd like to see the discussion continued.

I moved into my condo 3 years ago. Part of the reason I even wanted to live in a condo was to get a feeling of community. Little did I know there is almost no "community spirit" here.

I did run for the board, but I was very new and didn't really know anyone, and so did not get elected. I have been involved in 3 of our 9 committees. After nearly two years, I dropped out of two of them from shear frustration at nothing getting done and a complete lack of (timely) support from the board.

I haven't even been to a monthly meeting in a while because I've gotten so discouraged.

Now there is talk of doing away with the social commitee, and the next few months will be my last ditch effort to try to get some community spirit.

There are great ideas here. Any others would be very welcome.

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