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AlexC1 (Florida)
Posts: 25
Posted:
Several homeowners in our Florida HOA formed a newsletter committee in early 2008 in order to publish information about local events, home of the month, pet of the month, favorite recepes etc... on a monthly basis. The Board of Directors initially approved this committee which has been paying for its own expenses. However, this committee now claims the Board is not responsible and not liable for the newsletter's contents and restricts the board on what is to be printed in the newsletter.

I thought committees were appointed by the Board and the Board therefore is responsible for committee members, their newsletter's format and contents. Am I correct ?

Any opinion on this subject would be appreciated.
KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
Posted:
I would think that if they are spending their own money, then they would govern the content.

I would consider it an unofficial newsletter, unless the HOA endorses it or there is something in writing that expressly grants the HOA authority over this project.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
I tried three times to post essentially the same thing, Kevin.

RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Alex, Kevin and Michele,
Have to know first if this Board approval was an official assignment of a committe. Also have to know what agreements were officially reached conditioning the editorial content of the Newsletter.

I will guess and say this was some agreement of a few people.

If true and the Newsletter receives absolutely no support from the Board, the Newsletter is personal correspondence and opinions......nothing more.

Again if true, it can be helpful to the association if that is the purpose. The Board has no editorial authority and can not expect any.

But, what a good idea gone bad if the two fractions are spatting. I personally see nothing wrong with a Board endorsing and supporting a Newsletter and not even wanting to have editorial of management control. Interactions between the two....sure. Agreements between the two.....sure. Compromises and civility and integrity.......sure.

Please tell the fractions the Prize (information) is bigger than both of them.
DonaldM3 (South Carolina)
Posts: 132
Posted:
I have to agree with you Robert; if the newsletter is not board sanctioned, it might be informative and worthwhile to the community but it can only be considered a rogue newsletter. To become board sanctioned, which I would think would make it much more worthwhile to the community it serves, the committee would have to jump through some board hoops with probably the most important being that the board has pre-publishing editing privileges. It (the nl) needs to be a conduit of the board!

Committees to be of great value to the HOA don’t need to be formed by the board but they certainly need to be sanctioned by the board; to do that they need, at some point, to become an arm of the board.
PattiM (Arizona)
Posts: 13
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By AlexC1 on 01/12/2009 7:19 PM
Several homeowners in our Florida HOA formed a newsletter committee in early 2008 in order to publish information about local events, home of the month, pet of the month, favorite recepes etc... on a monthly basis. The Board of Directors initially approved this committee which has been paying for its own expenses. However, this committee now claims the Board is not responsible and not liable for the newsletter's contents and restricts the board on what is to be printed in the newsletter.

I thought committees were appointed by the Board and the Board therefore is responsible for committee members, their newsletter's format and contents. Am I correct ?

Any opinion on this subject would be appreciated.

Is the committee provided for in your docs or is it an ad hoc committee appointed by the Board? If so, the Board can establish guidelines and/or appoint new members to produce the newsletter.

When you say that the committee has been paying for its own expenses- is that through solicited advertising or do the committee members pay for it themselves? If Joe's Pressure Wash is paying for an ad in what he believes is an official newsletter of the assn., then, IMO, it should be sanctioned by the assn. Anyone can create and distribute a self-published newsletter. However, if ads are being solicited, they should be cautioned not to give the impression to businesses that the newsletter is affiliated with the HOA. I would also suggest that a disclaimer be included on the newsletter itself that it is not an official newsletter of the association. I have seen this done on unofficial HOA websites.

My personal feeling is that official assn. newsletters should contain dissenting opinions from members. I like the idea of a Letters to the Editor area for this. That said, I strongly believe that Board and committee member dissention has no place in an assocation newsletter. As a body, issues are debated in open meetings, consensus is reached and, once reached, the body speaks with one voice.

As to the Board being restricted on what can be included- my feeling is that there should be regular columns for the president and treasurer. Maybe a From the Board column that could be more generic in terms of what the board is working on, kudos to committees or individuals who have contributed in some way, etc.

The association newsletter is the face of the community, often all that most members see and read to keep up with what is happening within a community. It should be informative and upbeat, while encouraging input- good and bad-from members in the form of Letters to the Editor. I'm sure that someone on HOAtalk must have guidlelines for a newsletter committee that would be helpful.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Donald.
I could not be more in disagreement with your assumption. I had hoped to circumvent this specific issue, but here goes.

1 : a dishonest person : SCOUNDREL
2 : a mischievous person : SCAMP

I never once implied anything like this nor would I ever.
I may describe folks that take an interest as "Salt of the Earth" or some such. They have my admiration. I do not condone vicious verbal attacks either through the written word or verbally. They have, individually the same vote as anyone else, and believe it or not they just may have abilities and desires that rank with the best of us. I think they can be considered Patriots (for associations) until proved otherwise. Sure some will step over the line, and so do Board members at times.

Any time a small town grows and someone else starts a paper with a little different view they put themselves right out there for comparison and evaluation. If you don't want to read that paper, don't, it is as simple as that.

This site is filled with the recognition of the apathy of Homeowners, and I bitch with the best of them. But, honestly, how can we be critical of them if they voice an opinion different than ours, they could be right, you know.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Patti,
Good logic for the most part and I agree no Official endorsement should be made or hinted, the opposite is required.

A little item caught my attention. How many associations do you suppose, that have Oficial websites or Newletters, allow for an interactive open discussion without editorial censorship, usually by the Board.

If what is posted here is representative of the whole, that real number will be small.

I appreciate your thought process about an official Newsletter, but you seem to pull back just as you approach "Freedom of Speach."
DonaldM3 (South Carolina)
Posts: 132
Posted:
Robert, I don’t know where you’re coming from here or understand your post. What assumption, what vicious attacks, who was I critical of? I’m not against anyone starting up a newsletter; in fact, I personally started up one in a previous HOA where I lived. I'm confused, perhaps my brain cells are dying off faster than I expected!
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Donald,
Now that I know you suffer from the same effects of dying synapses in the brain, I think I can understand your post more.

I don't think I used vicious at all did I.

My read on your post was that you welcomed open exchanges as long as the Board set the rules. Now, that would not be an open exchange, would it.

I was not being harsh, just passionate.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Donald,
Lightbulb moment.

The definitions as I entered are Mebsters short definition of "Rogue".

You termed any newsletter outside of Board control as "Rogue."
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By AlexC1 on 01/12/2009 7:19 PM
Several homeowners in our Florida HOA formed a newsletter committee in early 2008 in order to publish information about local events, home of the month, pet of the month, favorite recepes etc... on a monthly basis. The Board of Directors initially approved this committee which has been paying for its own expenses. However, this committee now claims the Board is not responsible and not liable for the newsletter's contents and restricts the board on what is to be printed in the newsletter.

I thought committees were appointed by the Board and the Board therefore is responsible for committee members, their newsletter's format and contents. Am I correct ?

Any opinion on this subject would be appreciated.

Alex,

I understand you to be saying that these members formed their own committee to publish a newsletter. This is NOT a board-appointed committee. By using their own funds to keep this newsletter alive, IMO, they have the right to determine what articles can be printed and restrict any info they so choose. I would also suggest that the name of the assn not be the title of the newsletter, i.e., do not title it the "XXX Homeowners's Assn Newsletter". That way the newsletter has no real connection to the HOA and any info printed therein cannot be construed as coming from the BOD.
AlexC1 (Florida)
Posts: 25
Posted:
Thanks everyone for your opinion on this matter and I certainly didn't mean to start any debate among the respondents. Yes the 3 member board verbally and informally approved the newsletter committee as it saw an opportunity to lighten its workload. (I know, poor excuse). The committee chaiperson is calling it a 'community newsletter' but is including a picture of the main entrance into the community which clearly shows the name of the association.

I was just elected into the Board of Directors, and so will ask the Board to let the nesletter committee continue their service to the community on the condition they remove the link to the association. In turn, the Board will publish its own but less frequent newsletter relating to association business.

Thanks again for all your responses. This is indeed a great forum.

Alex
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Alex,

Thx for the clarification. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the board approved the formation of this committee but did not designate it an official assn committee, right? I agree with your plan action but I suggest you make it clear this is not an assn committee.
DwightT (Idaho)
Posts: 664
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RobertR1 on 01/13/2009 7:11 AM

I don't think I used vicious at all did I.

Robert - I'm afraid that you did:

Quote:
Posted By RobertR1 on 1/13/2009 5:50:43 AM

...
I may describe folks that take an interest as "Salt of the Earth" or some such. They have my admiration. I do not condone vicious verbal attacks either through the written word or verbally.
...

I gotta admit - when I saw that post, I also wondered what you were talking about. I started to wonder if you maybe posted that to the wrong thread.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Alex,
You didn't start a thing. We just do this, that seems to be our M.O. It can get confusing no doubt and sometimes the reason for the thread gets lost. But reality is reality and this Board Discussion board moves so fast, about the time something gets sorted out, there is a new Gal on the block. Don't take it to heart.

We did much the same at our condo with a website. It caused all kinds of accusations to fly around, nearly all false, about the website. Momentum moves and we now have a Board approved website. Some (me included) are not happy with the complete results but it was in effect, a great victory for the members in more ways than one. So, like the lions cubs of the pride, we took our bite, and now wait until we can go take another bite.

If your Board does a good job of informing the owners and does not build walls instead of bridges, your independent Newsletter will either settle into "sports" reporting or will fade away.

That means you all on the Board will decide the fate of the Newsletters.

I say great, Democratic action in action........roughly of course.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
What the world am I missing here?

Definition for Salt of the Earth:

Q. How is it used now?
A. According to the Oxford Dictionary of Idioms, 'the salt of the earth' is now used to describe 'a person or persons of great kindness, reliability or honesty'.

I did indeed use the word vicious, but I didn't call anyone vicious.
KarenS11 (Florida)
Posts: 148
Posted:
In my (not-vast) experience, finding anyone to put a newsletter on any regular basis is very difficult. It would be great if you could be the voice of reason and turn it around so that the existing committee could be the official newsletter for the association.

(You will note that I have nothing to contribute in regard to HOW to accomplish this, however! It's hard to bring factions together once there has been a split.)
KarenS11 (Florida)
Posts: 148
Posted:
Any chance of getting a limited "edit" feature added to this site? Or "preview" before posting? I never see my typos until after I have posted!
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Did you make a typo?!?

We never see typos here.

In fact, I think the site has a plug in that makes typos invisible to other users. . .

So, not to worri!

RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Karewn,
If your browser is Internet Explorer and you go to Tools in Browser window. You will see IOspell. Cliclk on this and then you can after you finish your text, open that iospell file and it will check your spelling. But there will never be a spell check to cover me completely, I make up to many words and forget to use the check half the time.

Let me say this about newsletters or websites. Neither cause a "split". the split was the cause of the creation of the newsletter or website. Generally, and given time and reasonable people both can morph into productive tools.

See cliclk in second sentence, not spelled wrong new word.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Robert,

I never learned to type so my fingers just hit any keys that they want but usually my jist gets thru. As Michelle said, non of us is here to test each others spelling and typing skills, at least I hope not because I will flunk. For some reason, I know what you are saying and meant to say so are we on the share a brain program?
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Donna,
If we have kindred brains, I got the best on that deal, you didn't do as well.

Now, see how clear the is.

Thanks Donna

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