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CharlesM6 (Maryland)
Posts: 1
Posted:
I am on the Board of Directors of an 18 unit ocean side vacation condo. The Board has imposed a $2400 special assessment to cover the cost of replacing the wooden balcony railings with vinyl. All owners were properly notified after the matter had been discussed and voted upon during three association meetings. The majority of the owners approved the proposal but three owners have refused to comply with the assessment.We are not anxious to take the case to court because of the time and expense that would cost the association. Would appreciate any suggestions in how best to resolve the matter.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Can you lien them?
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Charles.
Michele has a valid question.

Remember, you all that paid your assessment and decreed the assessment under your covenamts are not the law breakers around there. Send them a registered letter with the fees due, explanation of why the fees are valid, and set a time line for their compliance. Check your documents for procedures and penalties and interest you can levy. At the end of your time line, state simply at that time they will have alien placed on their property. Your documents should provide for this. If not, you will have to create some legal power for the Regime to enforce the covenants. I suspect strongly, you will find thios in your Maryland State Statutes about HOA's. Also, at top of this page on right is a search feature, plug in Maryland and see what come up, I am sure you will find addresses there, if not give the State Legislation a call. Be prepared to take this to the wall, because if you don't you are in deep dodo.
GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
Posts: 975
Posted:
Robert, I can't buy your argument. My instincts tell me there is more to the situation that we know here. We don't know the financial situation of the individuals involved. Forcing the units into foreclosure may simply prolong a situation that could be resolved in another way.

Right now, even mortgage companies are working very hard to negotiate with owners to avoid foreclosure. Associations should do the same. The last thing you want are units empty, hung up in foreclosure proceedings, for several years and being offered for sale at distressed prices. That is just plain stupid. Look what is happening in Florida. Do you think a mortgage company that may end up taking title to the units will be generous enough to pay condo fees without a additional fights. How long will these units sit empty if they are foreclosed. (These are rhetorical questions.)

Recording a lien makes sense, and should be done. But seeking to enforce it with legal action immediately, leading to foreclosure may result in far more harm to the condo association than it solves. Perhaps a multi-year payment plan with reasonable interest may be a useful approach. Perhaps postponing the project may be another option.

Reason in light of the times has to prevail. These are vacation units, not, apparently, primary residences. The condo association board should be reluctant to take legal action as Charles indicates.

Don't make a bad situation worse. Think and act (1) reasonably, (2) creatively, and (3) responsibly. As the aphorism goes, "don't cut your nose off to spite your face."

Knee jerk reactions is not what is going to be best for the association members.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Charles,

I would like to think the board is aware that a delinquent special assessment should be treated the same as a delinquest regular assessment. Why does the board do to collect regular delinquencies? Do these members know they have the same obligation to pay a special assessment as they have to pay a regular assessment. I'm not advocating foreclosure, but late fees would be a proper first step to collect. My suggestion would be to follow the collection policy for delinquencies.

One other thing to consider is that at this point in time many h/o's are in financial difficulties. If the special assessment is to be paid in one lump sum this may be the crux of the problem. Perhaps a payment plan can be set up for these h/o's IF their problem is lack of funds.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
George,
I wish I had the ability to express myself like some of you all do.
Reading back over the post you referenced I just can't see where I have said much different than what you write. I thought I was advising the poster to deal with the situation as well as they can and I did not advocate foreclosing on any property by the association at any time in any post. The best you can do is get in line.

This foreclosure business is not caused by the assessments, it is caused by the economic situation folks find they are in. Condos that are primary second home rentals didn't cause any of this and I really don't think reducing the monthly assessments and using payment plans are going to save any of the owners, that are not full time residents. Now in a full time resident HOA or condo, where the Homestead is involved, I really believe there has to be some financial adjustments made in regard to assessments. Here I think you can make a difference.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
A question George,

When you reference some associations as a condo rental and proclaim this payment plan and all this financial adjustments that should be made because it is a "Rental condo", what consideration do you make for the owners that are full time residents. I am sure there are "Full time 100% rental condos" out there. How did you get the impression this is what we are dealing with. I would remind you that these rental units you are referring to are simply residential units that allow property to be rented, and that is certainly doubtful in a lot of cases because of how the documents are written. My condo is chartered as a p[rivate residential complex by declaration. The CC&R's allow for a rental policy.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

I agree with George to some extent. BUT!! Association Boards have the fudituary duty to maintain all of the association property and the integrety of the entire association. With funds not coming in, they then become compromised to take care of the association. Thy do not have funds like mortgage companies do and cannot just get bridge loans to pay the bills.(Or government bailouts) Thus, the only solution is to attempt in any way that their documents allow, to collect dues which are not negotiable for late payers. I hate to be hard butted about this but those who pay seem to be footing the bill for all of those who do not. And that is getting pretty old right now. Hardship cases we all understand. I grew up in the ghetto of Milwaukee and know what it's like, but we always found means to take care of ourselves. Some just sit and wait for others to bail them out and that's not what it should be and it is getting easier to be that way.
GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
Posts: 975
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RobertR1 on 01/09/2009 5:42 AM
George, Reading back over the post you referenced I just can't see where I have said much different than what you write.

    "Be prepared to take this to the wall, because if you don't you are in deep dodo."


To me, that is a much different approach than what I advocate. I do not advocate taking this situation to the wall (which I read as foreclosure--the ultimate outcome), or even preparing to do so.

Think about it: the cost of an attorney to file suit against the owner and the related court costs is greater than the amount involved. And if the owner lives out of state, it is unlikely that h/she can be served for a suit in small claims court. And even if the plaintiff prevailed in a suit, there is no guarantee of payment. Such action may force the owner into bankruptcy.

So the association is no better off, and maybe worse off.

GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
Posts: 975
Posted:
Two additional thoughts to lay on the table (in the British parliamentary sense, not the American sense):

First, this board should have accumulated funds set aside in a reserve to deal with this repair/replacement. The original poster did not indicate if there were reserve funds available or not.

Second, if this is an emergency repair (which I doubt because of the number of meetings noted at which it was discussed) in considering the amount of the special assessment, the board should have recognized that it was possible that a number of residents, would not, or could not pay the special assessment. A reasonable board cannot assume that every owner is capable of making an additional $200 per month payment. The amount of the assessment should have been adjusted to a higher amount to adjust for those owners who are unable to pay.

All we know from the post is that three owners "refused" to fork over the cash. We don't know if they voted against the project, or if they are being obstinate, or if they are in financial distress.

A responsible board of directors must understand that apportioning expenses based on an average for each unit ain't the real world.

It is like making up the deficit in my church. People seem to think that if every member just gave $100 more this year we would be ok. But that is not how life works. Some members are capable of giving far more than $100, and many are clearly unable to even give an extra $20.

If a projects costs $10,000 in an association of 100 units, rather than assessing $100 per unit, a smart board would assess, say, $130 per unit, wisely considering that a number of unit owners might be unable to pay. Any excess funds could then be graciously returned to the unit owners after the project was completed with a letter from the president extolling the wisdom of the board.

As is said, a person can drown in a river with an average depth of 4 feet.
JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 967
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MaryA1 on 01/09/2009 5:09 AM
Charles,

I would like to think the board is aware that a delinquent special assessment should be treated the same as a delinquest regular assessment. Why does the board do to collect regular delinquencies? Do these members know they have the same obligation to pay a special assessment as they have to pay a regular assessment. I'm not advocating foreclosure, but late fees would be a proper first step to collect. My suggestion would be to follow the collection policy for delinquencies.

One other thing to consider is that at this point in time many h/o's are in financial difficulties. If the special assessment is to be paid in one lump sum this may be the crux of the problem. Perhaps a payment plan can be set up for these h/o's IF their problem is lack of funds.

Both excellent suggestions, Mary.
JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 967
Posted:
Oh, and George's "put it off until later" has some merit, depending on the circumstances. Is this being done/proposed for safety reasons - as in the things are falling apart - or is it only cosmetic surgery?
SusannaM (Florida)
Posts: 366
Posted:
This is a very interesting discussion. I'd like to hear back from OP though.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
George,
You, like many of us delight in establishing the facts as you see them, then trying to prove your point of view. I never even wrote the word forclosure and throughout all this foreclosuire business I have advocated that the associations should not be in the realestate business.

I suppose you have discerned by now my reference to take it to the wall was simply a notification to any Board that once they make consessions to a single homeowner, they have to treat all alike. Now some have disagreed with this and believe exceptions should be made. It is their association and their Board sets the rules, and if it works and they get away with it, fine. Just don't get caught by someone with deep pockets that wants to nail you to the wall.

The rest of your post makes sense, it just don't make sense in reference to my post.
JosephW (Michigan)
Posts: 882
Posted:
As stated, the policy for collecting these assessments should be the same as for any other assessments.

It is not up to the board to determine if the owners have financial problems or any other issue regarding non-payment of the assessment. It is the owners who need to make their case for delay, postponement, or a payment program, to the board.

Any board can make an exception to any rule at any time. There just has to be a legitimate reason, a majority of the board must agree to it, and it needs to be documented as an exception to the rules, along with the reasons for the exception. Often a time limit is placed on the exception. Too many boards use the "No exception" standard for things that get them into trouble, i.e. handicap issues. Fairness and reasonableness are what the board needs to use in their decisions regarding exceptions.

The vast majority of professional reserve studies consist of a visual inspection - basically a walk-thru. So this could have been missed, or not estimated correctly. We don't know the reason for changing the railings but this sounds like an upgrade, so the assessment many be for the difference between planned maintenance (reserves) and upgrading the component.

Follow your collection policy and make sure the procedures for approving the special assessment were done according to your documents and state law.

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EllenS1 (Florida)
Posts: 1,148
Posted:
Charles,

Doen't your association have a reserve fund?
TiwannaW
Posts: 3
Posted:


I would like to comment on this if I may. First this sound like an incident that took place with our association. We had started off with a $400 a year in 2006, then in 2008 it went to an extra $200 which total $600, then in October of that same year a special assessment of $370 was added,mind you that this had to be paid in November and December.At the beginning of December the new proposed budget for 2009 is $865 for s/f homeowners and $965 for townhomes. Now these increases are because people hadn't pay for their dues for two years and they stated that they had to increase, also because of not having enough money to go after those whom didn't pay. It was a total of 55 people and only 17 was taking to court before the funds ran out. We have a total of 201 s/f homes and townhomes, with the supposed of being 300. But that stop because again not having enough funding to continue to build. Now our complaint has homeowners, Why should we be responsible of payng the $370 when we were up to date with our Dues! Those who haven't payed , received the same service has those who did.(Lawn, Pool, Tennis, Trash)Now my question has HOA'S, Would or do you think that this is FAIR? We did solve one problem, We has the community was able to take over this year, and vote out the orginal Board Members who was BOWENS! and we have pick new Board Member's and we also have a management company. Please any suggestion on how to start this year off? And remember the $370 is still following us along with the debt that was left from the other Board Members(BOWENS)If their is anyone that have experience of being Board Members, please can you help us the new members with suggestions. Thank-You! Tiwanna Atlanta GA.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Twanna:

It sounds like you have a really good question and could use some solid advice, so my recommendation is for you to please start a unique post with your concerns.

The information and advice (guidelines, etc) that you are seeking will result in taking this thread considerably off-track.

I don't necessarily have a problem with periodic sidetracks on posts, but to answer this for you could take us on a different highway entirely!
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Tiwanna,
Micheles advise makes sense.

Let me just sort of jog your memory. From reading your post it is evident that you suspect a lot of your problems, at least in part, has been with the Board, and at the end you ask for responses from members of this site that are/were Board members. You will get answers to your questions and most of these answers will be posted by some very astute folks who may happen to fit your criteria. IMHO, they are the cream of the crop and this site was established with the intent of providing authoritative information by BOD members and folks that have specific information to contribute.

What are BOWENS?
TiwannaW
Posts: 3
Posted:


Thank-You. Bowens are the Builders of our Community.And I will check the web-site, that I was suggested to look into.
GerryH (DE)
Posts: 43
Posted:
Not sure if this thread is ended, but in reading the original posting I guess I would have some questions.

It appears the BOD approved this "special assessment". As this an emergency situation?

Our governing docs and the law is clear, that the BOD can only approve a special assessment in an emergency situation. All other special assessments must be presented and approved by the community. If there docs or law is similar, since the community did not approve the special assessment may be way the person is refusing to pay.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By GerryH on 01/17/2009 12:28 PM
Not sure if this thread is ended, but in reading the original posting I guess I would have some questions.

It appears the BOD approved this "special assessment". As this an emergency situation?

Our governing docs and the law is clear, that the BOD can only approve a special assessment in an emergency situation. All other special assessments must be presented and approved by the community. If there docs or law is similar, since the community did not approve the special assessment may be way the person is refusing to pay.

I dunno, Gerry, and I hesitate to speak for the Original Poster, but he does state this:

Quote:
All owners were properly notified after the matter had been discussed and voted upon during three association meetings. The majority of the owners approved the proposal but three owners have refused to comply with the assessment.We are not anxious to take the case to court because of the time and expense that would cost the association. Would appreciate any suggestions in how best to resolve the matter.

It seems that even if their documents are similar to yours that they did, in fact, put this up to community approval and it passed.
GerryH (DE)
Posts: 43
Posted:
Thanks Michele, It does sound like it was approved by the community.

From a recent experience in our community, the prior BOD had spent $20K on a new item which they claimed were discussed as various meetings (and yes a comment was made) but no vote was ever taken. The issue has caused some problems because the prior board is claiming these new items are for maintenance purposes but they never existed before and it adds and additiona $5K to the annual operating budget. But that's a different subject
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
I understand, Gerry.

Plus, we only have a poster's word of it that things went down the way they did.

Some things we just have to take on faith!

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