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JimB11 (Washington)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Our community has about 40 acres of greenbelt that is [naturally] the property of the membership. In an area where the greenbelt extends to the county roadway right of way, a private commercial property owner who is not a part of our association has been instructed by the county to locate his proposed driveway through our greenbelt on an arterial street.

He has applied to our association for an easement and we are at odds with whether or not to allow it and/or how to deal with it.

Some members want to sell him the entire portion of the greenbelt that borders his property. That would require a 67% vote of our 1028 members -(it won't happen).

Other members don't want to allow him any access at all.

We have granted easements for member home owners to place utility, cable or drainage through greenbelts. But that is always for buried construction which can't be seen afterward.

I'd like to hear from any association members or officers who have dealt with easements of any sort that cross common grounds.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
We have not allowed any easements other that what already exists for us to allow in our governing documents.

Several of our common areas are protected wetlands, and we couldn't allow them anyway.

In addition, our governing documents do NOT allow for the sale or lease of any common property.

SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
How is it that the county ordered him to construct this road thru your property? You need to get that "order" from the county (in writing.) His land may be land-locked, and that's his only way out. OR he is suggesting it on his site plan as anther exit.

Maintenance, traffic concerns and liability are issues, too.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Jim,
I would want to know first, what are the County restrictions on the green belt area. Was that part of the original PUD which is dictated by the County? Or perhaps are there any State regulations on greenbelts? Can you sell any common areas as restricted by your governing docs?

You said that this guy is a "COMMERCIAL" property owner. What would that driveway be used for? Granting easements for other owners is a far cry from allowing some type of commercial use for the area.

As I am known around here as a tree hugger, unless this is important to the well being and safety of the HOA, I would not allow it to turn into an asphalt strip.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Jim,
I doubt this would apply to you way out there, but our condo and of course the land forming the complex cites clearly that no easement will be allowed except for public utility services. That includes some property designated as having view easements attached.
JimB11 (Washington)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By SusanW1 on 01/07/2009 10:07 AM
How is it that the county ordered him to construct this road thru your property?

This is why using this discussion board is a valuable tool. Your simple question has never come up in any of our conversations. Thank you all for your help and comments.
DennisS5 (Arizona)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Another thought? Does your Greenbelt have any "hiking trails" constructed at present. If not, then you may leverage the Contractor to pay for some trails, as part of an easement. I design and construct nature trails in Open Space area's for the past 23 years. I would be happy to talk to your Board of Directors on something like this to help both parties. With 40 acres you could have a number of "miles" of trails built. Cost is not as much as you might think. Please reply back if your interested in something such as this. My advise is free.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JimB11 on 01/07/2009 8:29 PM
Posted By SusanW1 on 01/07/2009 10:07 AM
How is it that the county ordered him to construct this road thru your property?


This is why using this discussion board is a valuable tool. Your simple question has never come up in any of our conversations. Thank you all for your help and comments.

Jim,

Sometimes we just can't see the forest for the trees!

Actually Susan's question is exactly what came to my mind upon reading your message, but she just beat me to the punch. The answer may be what you've been looking for. I'd be on the phone to the County planning dept bright and early tomorrow morning. Please let us know what you find out.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Jim,
Susan is extremly perceptive. Mary's suggestion to contact whoever issued this order or whatever it was should be heeded.

I suggest you formulate a list of specific questions to ask this office. One additional one or two is: What person signed off on this. What is their authority? Inform them of your specific covenants that forbid this action. Inform them since the county has now raised the question of doubt with your documents, you feel it is only proper that the county give you a written legal opinion about their proposal and in addition, provide you with the legal standing of your documents concerning this matter.

The intent is to once and for all establish sovereignty of your association, and let the county pay for the legal ruling, and of course to stop this from happening in the future. It might work.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Him,

As I posted above, this should be a no brainer for a vote to the members IF it gets that far. This guy wants a commercial road. What is he planning to use that for. Imagine some big old semis going up and down all day? Does not your County control all green areas, even tho it is owned by your association. It sounds to me like the building and zoning doesn't know that you may have green area requirements for your area back there

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