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JoanM3 (Florida)
Posts: 10
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Our governing doctrines (By-Laws & Covenant) specifically uses the term "proxy" but does not define it as "limited" or "unlimited". Our board of directors prefers to use limited proxies for our Annual Meeting as it enables us to get feedback from absentee members on important issues (which we keep to a minimum). Owners are given the issue to vote on and also have the ability to give their proxy to another member to vote on issues NOT included on the form....issues that just might come up at the Annual Meeting. Since our rules do not specify what type of proxy is to be used, do you think it should be up to the current BOD to decide the format?
SusannaM (Florida)
Posts: 366
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JoanM, I'm pretty sure FL only allows "limited" Proxy. In other words, for one specific meeting and purpose, and any adjournment of such meeting. According to FL 720.306 (8), a Proxy "automatically expires 90 days after the date of the meeting for which is was originally given."

In my HOA our gov. docs are also silent about Proxy details. We recently had our annual meeting and one paragraph of our Proxy reads: "...any adjournment of the meeting, for the purpose of acting on all matters and in all things that come before that meeting or meetings and any and all adjournment..."

Hope this helps.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
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Joan,

The answer is very simple as the 720, HOA Statutes are very clear on proxy use. I have posted it below. They are "LIMITED PROXIES"

720:306.-- (8) PROXY VOTING.--The members have the right, unless otherwise provided in this subsection or in the governing documents, to vote in person or by proxy. To be valid, a proxy must be dated, must state the date, time, and place of the meeting for which it was given, and must be signed by the authorized person who executed the proxy. A proxy is effective only for the specific meeting for which it was originally given, as the meeting may lawfully be adjourned and reconvened from time to time, and automatically expires 90 days after the date of the meeting for which it was originally given. A proxy is revocable at any time at the pleasure of the person who executes it. If the proxy form expressly so provides, any proxy holder may appoint, in writing, a substitute to act in his or her place.

MaryA1 (Arizona)
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Posted By DonnaS on 01/06/2009 10:02 AM

Joan,

The answer is very simple as the 720, HOA Statutes are very clear on proxy use. I have posted it below. They are "LIMITED PROXIES"

720:306.-- (8) PROXY VOTING.--The members have the right, unless otherwise provided in this subsection or in the governing documents, to vote in person or by proxy. To be valid, a proxy must be dated, must state the date, time, and place of the meeting for which it was given, and must be signed by the authorized person who executed the proxy. A proxy is effective only for the specific meeting for which it was originally given, as the meeting may lawfully be adjourned and reconvened from time to time, and automatically expires 90 days after the date of the meeting for which it was originally given. A proxy is revocable at any time at the pleasure of the person who executes it. If the proxy form expressly so provides, any proxy holder may appoint, in writing, a substitute to act in his or her place.


Donna,

The fact that the statute states the proxy is only for one meeting does not make it a limited proxy. The definition of a limited proxy is: "A limited proxy form is one in which the owner has specified how the proxy holder is to vote on a
specific issue."

IMO, the statute does not indicate what type proxy is to be used. Therefore, it may be at the discretion of the board to decide. In fact, the board should mail the proxy form that is to be used to all members and indicate how it is to be used.
SusannaM (Florida)
Posts: 366
Posted:
Mary's post got me thinking....

Here is a sample of FL limited Proxy for condos. It's an old form I had in my PC:

SAMPLE LIMITED PROXY FORM
The undersigned, owner(s) or designated voter of unit No. _____ in ______(name)___________
Condominium, appoints
___________________________________________________
(PRINT NAME OF PROXYHOLDER)
or _________________ (Instructions to associations: Fill in the name or position of an officer or director
who will serve as proxyholder.) as my proxyholder to attend the meeting of the members of
___________(name)___________Condominium Association, Inc., to be held ___(date)_____, 20__, at
_____(time)_____, in __________(place)_______, Florida. The proxyholder named above has the authority to
vote and act for me to the same extent that I would if personally present, with power of substitution, except that
my proxyholder’s authority is limited as indicated below:
GENERAL POWERS (You may choose to grant general powers, limited powers or both. Check “General
Powers” if you want your proxyholder to vote on other issues which might come up at the meeting and for
which a limited proxy is not required).
_______ I authorize and instruct my proxy to use his or her best judgement on all other matters which properly
come before the meeting and for which a general power may be used.
LIMITED POWERS (FOR YOUR VOTE TO BE COUNTED ON THE FOLLOWING ISSUES, YOU MUST
INDICATE YOUR PERFERENCE IN THE BLANK(S) PROVIDED BELOW).
I SPECIFICALLY AUTHORIZE AND INSTRUCT MY PROXYHOLDER TO CAST MY VOTE IN
REFERENCE TO THE FOLLOWING MATTERS AS INDICATED BELOW:
(Instructions to associations; List below the specific questions or issues to be voted on. The following are only
examples.)
1. Should the reserves required by § 718.112(2)(f), Florida Statutes, be waived for the next fiscal/calendar year?
_______ YES _______ NO
2. Should the audit of the Association records by a certified public accountant be waived for the next
fiscal/calendar year ?
_______ YES _______ NO
__________________________________________________
DATE: ___________
SIGNATURE(S) of OWNER(S) OR DESIGNATED VOTER
SUBSTITUTION OF PROXYHOLDER
The undersigned, appointed as proxyholder above, designates _____________________________ to substitute for me in
voting the proxy as set forth above. (print name)
_____________________________________ Date: _____________
Signature of proxyholder
THIS PROXY IS REVOCABLE BY THE UNIT OWNER AND IS VALID ONLY FOR THE MEETING FOR WHICH
IT IS GIVEN AND ANY LAWFUL ADJOURNMENT. IN NO EVENT IS THE PROXY VALID FOR MORE THAN
NINETY (90) DAYS FROM THE DATE OF THE ORIGINAL MEETING FOR WHICH IT WAS GIVEN.
BPR Form 33-033 Revised:
JoanM3 (Florida)
Posts: 10
Posted:
Thanks...I needed reassurance!
JoanM3 (Florida)
Posts: 10
Posted:
thank you, Donna. We are trying to keep from getting ourselves into trouble. I do agree with your interpertation of 720.
JoanM3 (Florida)
Posts: 10
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Mary, Susanna and Donna.....thank you all for your help. The issue we had was that for years members were told a limited proxy was "wrong" because it left no room for discussion on an item to be voted on. My theory is....if the person is absentee....there not going to hear for discussion. The only voting issues we have asked members to vote on are very straight forward.....discussion would not sway a vote on these one way or the other. The important issue is that our "limited proxy" still gives owners the authority to give someone else their proxy to vote on issues that come up at the actual meeting )unexpected things not posted on the agenda". It also allows us (the board) to get a true picture of how our members feel on the urgent issues.

Thank you all for your reassurance!
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
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Posted By JoanM3 on 01/06/2009 2:19 PM
Mary, Susanna and Donna.....thank you all for your help. The issue we had was that for years members were told a limited proxy was "wrong" because it left no room for discussion on an item to be voted on. My theory is....if the person is absentee....there not going to hear for discussion. The only voting issues we have asked members to vote on are very straight forward.....discussion would not sway a vote on these one way or the other. The important issue is that our "limited proxy" still gives owners the authority to give someone else their proxy to vote on issues that come up at the actual meeting )unexpected things not posted on the agenda". It also allows us (the board) to get a true picture of how our members feel on the urgent issues.

Thank you all for your reassurance!

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Posted By JoanM3 on 01/06/2009 2:19 PM
Mary, Susanna and Donna.....thank you all for your help. The issue we had was that for years members were told a limited proxy was "wrong" because it left no room for discussion on an item to be voted on. My theory is....if the person is absentee....there not going to hear for discussion. The only voting issues we have asked members to vote on are very straight forward.....discussion would not sway a vote on these one way or the other. The important issue is that our "limited proxy" still gives owners the authority to give someone else their proxy to vote on issues that come up at the actual meeting )unexpected things not posted on the agenda". It also allows us (the board) to get a true picture of how our members feel on the urgent issues.

Thank you all for your reassurance!

Joan,

Again, what you describe is NOT a limited proxy. If the proxyholder can vote as he/she chooses then it is a general proxy. A limited proxy instructs the proxyholder how to vote on specific matters.

A limited proxy does not mean there cannot be any discussion at the meeting. However, any member who has given a limited proxy to another person would not have the benefit of hearing the discussion and would have already voted on the issue thru the proxy they've given.

JoanM3 (Florida)
Posts: 10
Posted:
The proxy we are planning to send out is a limited proxy. I might not have explained it correctly. We have two issues to vote on and have asked the owners to vote yes, no or abstain. But, it also allows the owner to give their proxy to another owner for any other issues that might arise at the Annual meeting and not listed on the proxy form. This is why we were concerned about lack of discussion but have since learned that this is an acceptable proceedure. Thanks again for your help.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
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Posted By JoanM3 on 01/06/2009 6:12 PM
The proxy we are planning to send out is a limited proxy. I might not have explained it correctly. We have two issues to vote on and have asked the owners to vote yes, no or abstain. But, it also allows the owner to give their proxy to another owner for any other issues that might arise at the Annual meeting and not listed on the proxy form. This is why we were concerned about lack of discussion but have since learned that this is an acceptable proceedure. Thanks again for your help.

Joan,

Sounds like it is the same type proxy Susanna posted a copy of in her last response. I would not refer to it as a "limited proxy", because it actually contains 2 types of proxy's -- general (the proxyholder votes as he chooses) and limited (the proxyholder can only vote for a particular issue and must vote as directed by the person giving the proxy). I don't know that there is a name for this type proxy.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
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Posted By MaryA1 on 01/07/2009 6:50 AM

Joan,

Sounds like it is the same type proxy Susanna posted a copy of in her last response. I would not refer to it as a "limited proxy", because it actually contains 2 types of proxy's -- general (the proxyholder votes as he chooses) and limited (the proxyholder can only vote for a particular issue and must vote as directed by the person giving the proxy). I don't know that there is a name for this type proxy.

"Hybrid" proxy?
SusannaM (Florida)
Posts: 366
Posted:
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Posted By JoanM3 on 01/06/2009 6:12 PM
The proxy we are planning to send out is a limited proxy. I might not have explained it correctly. We have two issues to vote on and have asked the owners to vote yes, no or abstain. But, it also allows the owner to give their proxy to another owner for any other issues that might arise at the Annual meeting and not listed on the proxy form. This is why we were concerned about lack of discussion but have since learned that this is an acceptable proceedure. Thanks again for your help.

Joan and all, allow me to clarify further. The only time FL 718 mandates that limited Proxy be used is for condo BOD elections. Limited Proxy instructs how the homeowner wishes to vote. On the other hand, FL 720 (HOAs)does NOT require limited Proxy at all.
JoanM3 (Florida)
Posts: 10
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Susanna, I am starting to wonder about alot of these issues. So many seem to be in the individual interpretation....Our By-Laws and Covenant specify the word "proxy" but they do not say whether they mean "limited" or "unlimited". We (the Board) would be more comfortable knowing that extremely important issues are listed on the proxies we send to members. So many are out of state and not in the loop so to speak. We have sent a cover letter explaining the two voting issues and asked the members to check the appropriate boxes. But....they are also given the opportunity to name any other member or simply appoint the Board secretary to act on their behalf. Three years ago we were told by Joe Adams, the attorney who writes the legal issues column in the News Press that this was an acceptable proceedure since our governing doctrines simply say "proxy". This particular board has chosen to use limited instead of the unlimited where the proxy votes for the absentee on every issue. But, again, I think there are many ways to look at this. For the most part, the feedback we have gotten is that...people want to know what is being voted on and want to lend their voice so to speak. Thanks for your help. Joan
JoanM3 (Florida)
Posts: 10
Posted:
I meant to say the person appoints a proxy to vote on their behalf on all other issues...other than those listed on the proxy form!
SusannaM (Florida)
Posts: 366
Posted:
Joan, I am sure what your board is doing is just fine. The Statutes keep changing every single year so it can get confusing, I mean, very confusing. However, one thing is clear, FL 720 allows for general powers Proxy contrary what Donna had said earlier.

Good luck.
SusannaM (Florida)
Posts: 366
Posted:
Correction: FL 718 does NOT allow Proxy voting for condo BOD elections. Homeowners must use ballot.

FL 720 allows general powers Proxy voting, including HOA BOD elections.
KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
As an person who does advocate proxies, I will say that I suspect from a typical legal standpoint the BOD has full discretion in what to send out to the membership. It should be noted that one need not have the exact same form to hold a legally binding proxy. In fact, a power of attorney should be treated the same.

I would add a provision to specifically allow the holder to vote on all items at their discretion. I could see cases where I knew I wouldn't be able to attend and not sure how I felt about an issue. My preference would be to find a person with similar leanings as myself and let them hear the discussion before voting.

In fact, in regards to the choice of waiving the audit, I would be very inclined to do allow someone to vote on my behalf after hearing the discussion. While I might be inclined to waive the requirement, I would hate to lock that in knowing that someone might have some good reason that would change my mind.
SusannaM (Florida)
Posts: 366
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KirkW, in FL condo associations the BOD must follow Statute 718 to the letter to avoid exposing the HOA to lawsuits.
SusannaM (Florida)
Posts: 366
Posted:
KirkW, I just realized that the FL OP is in a HOA governed by FL 720 which has less limitations in what the BOD can do.

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