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GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
Posts: 975
Posted:
There is a great article in the Sunday Miami Herald about challenges facing condo owners and boards in Florida. I encourage everyone to read it. It sounds as if things may get much worse before they get better.

"Mediators foresee gloom, doom in condo industry"

http://www.miamiherald.com/living/home/story/834433.html

SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
I saw that article yesterday and agree things are going to get worse before it gets better. The line about HOAs going bankrupt really concerns me, because I think that's the next shoe to drop in this enviroment. I know I'm really concered about my HOA (I'm treasurer) because I spoke to our president yesterday while grocery shopping and she told me of still another tree root/sewer line disruption that erupted about a week ago (I spoke of this problem in another thread a month ago).

The kicker is that the unit is owned by a guy that owes the Association a considerable amount of money. I suppose some people would say "well, tell him the repairs can't get done until delinquencies (like yours) are eliminiated," but raw sewage bubbling out of the ground gets really smelly, it's a serious health hazard, and the people who do pay would also be affected. Our president asked the guy if he'd called a plumber to check if the problem might be on his end and he said, "uh, no - I think this is the association's responsibility).

(good thing he said that to her instead of me - I might have choked him!)

Nonetheless, this isn't the time to wring one's hands - HOA boards everywhere will have to get creative with problem solving and keep the residents in the loop. I'm always amazed when I read people on this forum talk about rouge boards, not giving financial reports and such to the membership - don't they know that if you want lots of power, it also comes with lots more responsibility? For my part, I've always believed that knowlege is power - let folks know what's happening and why. If they don't like what they hear, come up with some solutions and VOLUNTEER to help implement them. I think HOA residents are about to get a hard lesson in what happens when they say "I can't go to the annual meeting - American Idol is on tonight!"

By the way, George, I saw in yesterday's Indianapolis Star that there are supposed to be hearings somewhere in the state legislature this week about foreclosures and what can be done to reduce them - think a discussion of HOA foreclosures because of delinquencies will get a mention?


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Maybe the condo trust fund could help some of these associations out since they have a 29 million dollar surplus. Oh wait, the state legislature already spent 10 million of it for other budget shortfalls. Don't they know you shouldn't leave money lying around where politicians can find it!

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2008/may/08/florida-takes-10-million-condo-trust-fund/

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JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 967
Posted:
Shelia,

You wrote:

>>>HOA boards everywhere will have to get creative with problem solving and keep the residents in the loop.<<<

If only. But as we've all seen here at HOATalk, many BODs will do neither.

As I've mentioned on other threads, our BOD bombards Membership with so much info that the only complaints we get are along the lines of:

"Is it really necessary to tell us all this?" "Could you keep the Updates shorter?" "How about fewer attachments?" or the observation "Whatever you (the BOD) wants to do is fine."

Despite that, we get few Thank You(s) and fewer Volunteers. Not that we signed up for praise, nor to cajole Membership into putting in their hard-earned(?) free time.

But since we, our first pro-active BOD, took the reins a year ago via self-management, we haven't had to assess a single Member for late dues, or for anything else. We (slightly) lowered dues for 2009, expect to meet our 2009 Budget, and have built up our rainy day Reserve account to around 40% of this year's annual dues while increasing services and undertaking a big project - cleaning our 4 ponds of invasive weeds & related "ugly green floating stuff."

So I agree. Tell 'em everything + more, and a hopefully contented, stable HOA will be the result.

SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
JohnK3, at least your homeowners have said SOMETHING - ours don't even do that. We published a survey in our last newsletter - residents were supposed to get responses in by Jan 2, but I think we'll extend it to the end of the month, because as of Sunday, only 7 people responded (out of 156 units!)

Congrats on the progress you've made on self management - I wish we could go that route, but no one really has the time or skill and frankly, the owner apathy is so bad, the Association would be at risk for bad behavior because no one pays attention. Any details on how you pulled off your work would be very helpful - there may be some ideas we can adapt.

Keep us posted on your pond cleaning project - we have a retention pond that is long overdue for attention, but until we get the reserves built back up...and the delinquencies down...and the sewer line/tree root problem resolved, it'll have to stay on the back burner for at least another five years.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 967
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By SheliaH on 01/06/2009 4:20 AM
JohnK3, at least your homeowners have said SOMETHING - ours don't even do that. We published a survey in our last newsletter - residents were supposed to get responses in by Jan 2, but I think we'll extend it to the end of the month, because as of Sunday, only 7 people responded (out of 156 units!)

Congrats on the progress you've made on self management - I wish we could go that route, but no one really has the time or skill and frankly, the owner apathy is so bad, the Association would be at risk for bad behavior because no one pays attention. Any details on how you pulled off your work would be very helpful - there may be some ideas we can adapt.

Keep us posted on your pond cleaning project - we have a retention pond that is long overdue for attention, but until we get the reserves built back up...and the delinquencies down...and the sewer line/tree root problem resolved, it'll have to stay on the back burner for at least another five years.

Shelia,

Basically, our S-M resulted from a new BOD that didn't think 33% of dues should be spent on our PM and was willing (mostly moi) to take over the nuts and bolts stuff, though my 2 fellow BODers pitch in whenever asked. We only have 21 SFDs. Three vendors and electric bills to pay. Few problems to handle. S&M is not for everybody.

The ponds will be a costly undertaking - say, +20% of this and 2010's annual dues, but they are our most valued common assets so we tightened up in other areas (mostly landscaping reductions in some months) to cover the initial clean-up (after which we'll only require maintaining them properly). Letting them go further into the dinger would be irresponsible.

Good luck.
DanaB1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 319
Posted:
Good job John, thanks to all your hard work it sounds as though your association is turning around.

Dana

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